I’m sure you’ve all seen the photos of folks walking around with loaded firearms in Arizona. Yeah. When President Obama was in town. And, yes, right outside on the street. Guns & ammo, baby. Welcome to the Wild Wild West.
Activist Who Staged Gun Interview At Obama Event Was Prominent Defender Of ’90s Militia
Ernest Hancock, the online radio host who staged an interview with an assault rifle-wielding associate at the Obama event in Arizona yesterday — and was himself armed with a 9 millimeter pistol — was a vocal supporter and friend of right-wing anti-government militia members who were convicted of conspiracy and weapons charges in the 90s.
Source: tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com
More here: videocafe.crooksandliars.com
Awesome. Just glad to be here.
I really don’t give a flying rat’s ass what you own. I just want someone to ‘splain me how the left can have it both ways. Read my post again.
And nevermind the Supreme Court. With a “wise Latina” who don’t care about facts in charge I’m betting that all bets are off, vis-a-vis what the Constitution says.
Dave, you’re closer than you think:
http://www.weeklystandard.com/weblogs/TWSFP/2009/08/scotus_to_consider_hearing_chi.asp
Heller dealt with the District of Columbia – an area under federal control. What happens in a city like Chicago? Yet to be determined, it seems.
We’ll see how it plays.
And, remember, the 2nd Amendment can be, well, amended if need be. It’s pretty clear that there is at least some rational disagreement on intent & meaning in the choosen words. The framers could have tightened that one up a bit and saved up all 200+ years of questions.
To those who think Arizona is not the wild wild west: to the south is our own private Afghanistan. The territory of the Arizona, New Mexico and Texas are the front lines. I do not mind the immigrants, that is not what this is about. This is the wild wild west. Instead of Billy the Kid you have the Zeta, La Familia, the AFO, the CFO, Los Negros, and the list goes on. The Mennonite communities have aligned with the LDS exiles (another issue on its own) to protect there homes and interest in their communities in the Sierra Madres. This wild west is in phoenix as the nations kidnap capital of the US.
It still is the wild wild west. Meth labs junkies and all! now we just have cellphones, ipods, automobiles and hummers ( all types) and water faucets with running municipal water supply.
Welcome to Arizona. Home where I can drive with my mini 14 in the gun rack with a clip in ready to roll. The best is the drive through liquor store where I can get Jagermister, Schlitz, .223 and .45 rounds, Hustler, Slim Jims, a lighter and Zig Zags, Power Bait and Shotgunners News. “Debit please.”
Live Arizona-This isn’t Utah! (or Colorado ’cause I can buy any alcohol on a Sunday).
So, sorry to go off the main subject line. This is address to all those who have choose to come here, if they disagree with the wild wild west (which it is more so than ever) then they should choose to leave ASAP.
Cast your vote from higher ground baby!
Jonny, here’s the part you people don’t seem to get, and for the life of me I can’t understand why: Maybe ther framers meant exactly what they said. That’s good enough for me. Any other understanding of the Constitution just seems like a make work program for lawyers.
Oh, and Jonny, “closer than you think” seems, to be polite, abit patronizing. I’ve been following the case. I’d appreciate you giving me credit for having at least a basic grasp of current events in the future. The first, fourth and fifth amendments are recognized nationwide as God-given rights. Only a liberal would pick and choose which other ones to recognize.
And your “wise Latina” said the firefighters weren’t qualified, flying colors or not. As far as I’m concerned her opinion don’t mean shit.
Despite the efficacy of the founding documents being buffeted, the finality of the discussed statement can only be tested in war. Skew it however you please, the statement is preserved and no act of any congress can question it.
The Government Can:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LO2eh6f5Go0&feature=player_embedded
I think the world will not suffer tyranny. I guess it all depends on your personal measure of freedom. I don’t even own a gun, but like they say, it’s the thought that counts. I think anyone can see that if you take the guns away from law abiding folks you simply give the criminals an edge. Taking away what lies behind criminal behaviors through social means would be a form of socialism I would support and would certainly do more to clean up the streets.
“English is not that complicated a language no matter what your definition of “is” is. (Thank you Willy the Impeached.)”
Oh my fucking Gawd !!!!
10 years later and people are still pissed because Clinton got a fucking blow-job ??????????
Sweet Jesus Gawd All Mighty. Just fucking shoot me now. Then you can change the 2nd Amendment all you want. I need a fucking aspirin.
“Maybe ther framers meant exactly what they said. That’s good enough for me.”
Dave— So te3ll us about your “well regulated militia.” You mean rabid gun nuts holed up in the woods?
“And your “wise Latina” said the firefighters weren’t qualified, flying colors or not. As far as I’m concerned her opinion don’t mean shit.”
Another racist slur, aimed at the Supreme Court, whose authority you don’t respect. So not only are you picking your favorite half-sentence from the Bill of Rights, you pick and choose which government entities to respect. Some people can rationalize almost anything. What a bizarre, paranoid fantasy you live in.
“Only a liberal would pick and choose which other ones to recognize.”
Dave— oops, this one is way to precious to let slide… you refuse to recognize the authority of your duly-elected your President and the Supreme Counrt, yet a sentence fragment out of the Bill of Rights is holy above all other laws on earth? What a bizarre, paranoid fantasy you live in.
“I think anyone can see that if you take the guns away from law abiding folks”
schulz— I think anyone can see that people who are afraid that jack-booted gubmint thugs will raid their compound and seize their god-given weapons, is living in a bizarre, paranoid fantasy. Yeesh, get a grip, you guys.
Dave, in your comment above, you said: “I’d appreciate you giving me credit for having at least a basic grasp of current events in the future. The first, fourth and fifth amendments are recognized nationwide as God-given rights.”
Don’t patronize me bro! I’m not. Chill for a minute.
There are two levels to this, the current gun control question; 1) what does the Second Amendment actually mean, and 2) to what extent does it apply to the states?
What I was trying to tell you in that comment is that the extent to which the Second Amendment applies to the states is entirely in play. District of Columbia v. Heller didn’t answer both parts of the question, merely the first half. It’s going to take a second case, or even a series of cases, for the Court to sort out. And, even then, the House can, forgive the phrase, amend the Amendment as they find necessary.
From the article I linked above in my prior post:
See http://www.weeklystandard.com/weblogs/TWSFP/2009/08/scotus_to_consider_hearing_chi.asp.
Jonny, I’m not a lawyer. But I do have a decent command of the English Language. To the best of my knowledge it’s generally accepted that the phrase “the people” as used in the Fourth Amendment applies to the individual. To suggest that the phrase has any other meaning when used elsewhere in the Constitution of the United States of America seems to be parsing words in a manner that, quite frankly would have Slick Willy standing and applauding. It means exactly what it says or it means nothing. Maybe my common sense is getting in the way but that’s the only way I can see it.
“Maybe the framers meant exactly what they said. That’s good enough for me.”
Dave, you are being an idiot in ways too numerous to mention. But I’ll try anyway. First of all, do you think every framer put the precise same meaning on what he was signing? That would definitely take an idiot, to think that.
And second, even if they achieved some kind of amazing, harmonious mind-meld, do you think they miraculously surmounted the natural limitations of the English language?
Do you think they envisioned every potential circumstance?
And how are you going to go about finding the person who magically knows what they meant here in 2009? Since lots of people seem to disagree, how will you do that?
Presumably you are now saying, “no, E, you are the idiot. Anyone who doesn’t have socialist leftist baby-killing leanings can see exactly what the framers meant.”
To which I reply: go get a goddamn Constitutional Law casebook and start reading it, you moron. You will discover that hugely powerful minds have disagreed over just about every damn sentence in that document for over 200 years now. Exhibit A, which maybe you’ve heard of: the Constitution says Congress can’t make laws abridging the freedom of speech. So does it say you can yell “fire” in the firehouse or not? What did they mean? Since it’s so easy, Dave, tell me, what did they mean?
You must be a lawyer or somthing.
Who mentioned anything about a compound? Talking about yelling fire and shit, what a bunch of small minded arguments. Just because you have unwavering trust in the government doesn’t mean I should. I ought to be able to talk about their corruption and if the need arises I ought to be able to arm myself against them. Fuck you and your itch to take my rights away. Fucking weak willed small minded little fucking babies.
schulz— repeat after me, “You ask a lot of questions. Get off my property!”
If you hate government so much, why not move to Somalia? As a bonus, you could probably shoot anyone you want to.
…ewww, harsh, mikey, harsh…but prob’ly true…
…the vehemence here speaks volumes (yes, i’m gulty) about what we perceive to be our personal freedoms within the context of the “constitution of the united states of america”…
…i’d say it’s refreshing in the sense that it can all be openly discussed but it does get stale because nothing is being accomplished…
…starts to sound like an old foto of a new york tenement looks…everybody’s hung their laundry out to dry…
…just sayin’…
…whoops…”guilty“, not gulty…
i know, you stupid little asshole from hell, you move to where you can set up whatever fucking god damned dictatorship you want. leave this country, now. this place is not for the likes of you. fucking stupid cocksucker. fucking total lack of talent. no fucking wonder you were chosen for jury duty, you’re a fucking tool. the prosecution was drools over such a dolt as yourself, idiot.
Wow, Schulzy. You take yourself WAY too seriously.
By the way, jury duty is a RESPONSIBILITY of citizenship, not something to be avoided at all costs. If you aren’t willing to do it occasionally, you are the one who should move. Do you not want to be a citizen?
BABY BLUE!!!!!!! YEAH, BABY BLUE!!!!!!
this post just turned into guido beach, 4am.
who the fuck is sake hawk, anyhow? i love sake.
BABY BLUE!!!!!!
Where the fuck have you been? We’re all guidos in here.
I’m not talking about avoiding jury duty, faggot. Idiot, where did I mention avoiding jury duty? People like you and fucking faggot are simply ideal for the prosecution, because your PC fucking little fairies that follow all orders of the state. You and faggot take your “liberal” selves way too seriously, thinking you’re all smart and alternative and stuff. What a fucking couple of fucking fucksticks.
“no fucking wonder you were chosen for jury duty, you’re a fucking tool.”
schulzy, I think you need to get back on your meds… You get mad because no one agrees with you so you start throwing out slurs. Grow up. I swear, you’re still in high school. At least dave still has a sense of humor. I’m going to go back to laughing at you…
Dumbass, that sentence has nothing to do with avoiding jury duty. I have answered the call, but never been chosen. I have witnessed a number of times who the prosecution and defense chooses for their juries and have an understand why they do so. Essentially, the less you know about/question authority, the more likely you are to be chosen. Chomsky’s 20%ers like you and Meiky are great candidates for juries, as you’re so heavily engrained into the machine that you don’t dare counter it. Your life is the great lie.
I’m sure there are a number of people who agree with me, probably more so than you. You think I’m all wrong, but I’m not. I haven’t seen you try to lighten the subject without attacking me personally. So fuck you, you fucking motherfucker. You’re the little baby who continually commits the most atrocious fallacies so as to make any argument of yours completely infantile.
Your points above have nothing to do with a true test of the 2nd, as it says right in the fucking idiotic links you provided. Congress may be able to raise a militia, but if enough people are dissatisfied with the system, no rule they make up can matter. Just keep sitting back and let fascism take over completely, we’ll all learn one way or the other.
Besides, I’m more of a stubborn kraut. I know I’m right motherfucker, now lay down and shut up!
Bwhahahahaha! That’s right. You know it all. No one else knows anything. You’re a real revolutionary. Oh, make it stop. I can’t take the hilarity and nonsensical arguments…. Bwhahahaha!
You have nothing over me. Try to really beat me in an argument, just try it. You can’t so you laugh it off. Good for you.
I laugh because you’ve shown the world that you are a pathetic excuse for a human who resorts to slurs when anyone disagrees with the all mighty schulzy. You must really live a sad little existence. Grow up, get a sense of humor, and listen to something other than Alex Jones.
Nice. Look at how grown up you are. What a great man. . . now that’s laughable.
Why’d you suddenly drop the jury thing? You are lost. Go clean a swamp.
Hey, leave the swamp cleaners out of this!
Just kidding. Game on!
I have to admit that Schultzy’s logic is, in fact, unassailable. It turns out he is right, it is not actually possible to win an argument with him.
I know. I am humbled to be using the same intertube machine waves as him. I will go back to being a lowly swamp cleaner.
This is better than the three stooges. Nyuck nyuck nyuck.
So who wants popcorn?
And buttmunch, muchas gracias for recognizing my big throbbing sense of humor. Truly, Beavis, you are pretty cool.
Wow, I’ve been called a “faggot” and “buttmunch” in the same day. I am in the presence of mental giants. Since I have decided to follow the ways of Schulzy, and all he says is true, I must now become gay. dave, you want to be my first? I’ve got to warn you, I think I prefer being a top. I’ll be gentle…
i knew it was a case of man love.
holy shit, this thing is still going on?
Sorry to see I have been missing out on this (man?) love fest…
GOTTA BE SMILIN’, GOTTA BE DANCIN’, GOTTA BE SHAKIN’ DAT ASS!!!!
BABY BLUUUUUUUUE!!!!!!!
WHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Precisely.
…is there, like a prize for “lamest argument///best insult” on this particular bitch-fest ???…
…just askin’…
The prize is that you get to participate. Everyone’s a winner. Liberal thing, dontchaknow.