The United States Anti-Doping Agency (USADA) mission statement is clear: “USADA is dedicated to preserving the integrity of competition, inspiring true sport, and protecting the rights of U.S. athletes.” http://www.usada.org/files/pdfs/press-kit.pdf.
Yes, USADA is funded with your tax dollars, “74% from the federal government and 26% from the USOC” in 2009. Id. But, the argument that USADA is somehow mismanaging or wasting those funds by investigating Lance Armstrong is logically incoherent. Their stated purpose is to preserve the integrity of competition. That is exactly what they are doing.
Is it the course of action opposite to that which they have undertaken which would demonstrate a waste of almighty tax dollars – if they failed to adhere to their stated purpose and ignored evidence of doping. Then, my friends, then you would have an argument.
The U.S. Anti-Doping Agency brought formal doping charges against former cyclist Lance Armstrong in an action that could cost him his seven Tour de France titles, according to a letter sent to Armstrong and several others Tuesday.
As a result of the formal charges, Armstrong has been immediately banned from competition in triathlons, a sport he took up after his retirement from cycling in 2011.
In the 15-page charging letter obtained by The Post, USADA made previously unpublicized allegations against Armstrong, alleging it collected blood samples from Armstrong in 2009 and 2010 that were “fully consistent with blood manipulation including EPO use and/or blood transfusions.” Armstrong has never tested positive.
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USADA’s letter, dated June 12, further alleges that Armstrong and five former cycling team associates — three doctors including the famous Italian physician Michele Ferrari, one trainer and team manager Johan Bruyneel— engaged in a massive doping conspiracy from 1998-2011, and that “the witnesses to the conduct described in this letter include more than ten (10) cyclists …”
The letter specifically alleges that Armstrong used EPO, blood transfusions, testosterone, corticosteroids and masking agents and that he distributed and administered drugs to others. http://www.washingtonpost.com. (All hyperlinks will be shortened hereinafter.)
First, a little background:
USADA is the quasi-government agency that oversees anti-doping in Olympic sports in the United States. It is empowered to bring charges that could lead to suspension from competition and the rescinding of awards. It does not have authority to bring criminal charges. Id.
So far, so good, right? They can suspend an athlete from competition, but they can’t throw you in jail or otherwise impose any criminal sanction against the accused.
Two points are important here. First, the evidentiary standard (or legal burden of proof) employed by USADA is lower than the standard in a criminal matter. Whether that is a good or bad thing, it should come as no surprise, depends a whole lot on one’s perspective. See http://www.utexas.edu/…dawer08.pdf, http://heinonline.org/…journals, and https://litigation-essentials.lexisnexis.com/….
The Anti-Doping Organization shall have the burden of establishing that an anti-doping rule violation has occurred. The standard of proof shall be whether the Anti-Doping Organization has established an antidoping rule violation to the comfortable satisfaction of the hearing panel bearing in mind the seriousness of the allegation which is made. This standard of proof in all cases is greater than a mere balance of probability but less than proof beyond a reasonable doubt. http://www.usada.org/files/pdfs/usoc-policies.pdf. (Page 4.)
Second, remember that federal probe that was dropped?
The federal probe had been headed by Food and Drug Administration agent Jeff Novitzky, who had previously led steroid-use inquiries that ensnared baseball’s Barry Bonds, Olympic runner Marion Jones and world-champion boxer Shane Mosley, among others.
The grand jury, which began its inquiry around May 2010, heard testimony from a number of Armstrong associates and teammates, including former teammate Yaroslav Popovych, exercise physiologist Allen Lim, Olympic medalist Tyler Hamilton and longtime liaison Stephanie McIlvain.
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Despite the end of the criminal probe, the U.S. Anti-Doping Agency said in a statement that it would continue its own investigation into the use of banned substances in cycling.http://articles.latimes.com/2012/feb/04/….
Any of that evidence collected by Noviszky which may been found inadmissible at trail is probably going to be admissible here because the Federal Rules of Evidence do not apply. Rather, the less stringent AAA Supplementary Procedures is followed in such matters. (I’d love to provide a cite for this assertion, but I’ll be damned if I can come up with something that is worth your time reading.)
Adjudication
USADA has developed and instituted an adjudication program that is fair and credible when an athlete is found to be in violation of anti-doping rules and regulations. USADA’s adjudication process relies on an American Arbitration Association (AAA)/Court of Arbitration for Sport (CAS) arbitrated hearing under modified AAA Commercial Rules. http://www.usantidoping.org/adjudication.
Also, the sealed testimony from the Grand Jury may be obtained if USADA can make an adequate legal basis. “By law, such testimony usually remains sealed unless it is admitted as evidence in a case generated by the grand jury indictment.” http://articles.latimes.com/2004/jul/10/….
Whether or not USADA can make such a showing, I really have no idea. But, the point is this: it is in play, and it is damning.
I do not see this ending well for our Mr. Armstrong.
As an aside, if any or all of Armstrong’s Tour titles are stripped, who in the hell can they rightfully call the winner? The top five is a who’s who of the disgraced and implicated in professional cycling. Can anyone say Jan Ullrich won the Tour? It is a question worth answering.
Update: The relevant USADA document regarding the formal action against the accused in available in pdf form. http://www.scribd.com/doc/97022278/USADA-v-Armstrong-et-al.
WOOOF – THE SOUND OF EVERYONE REALISING WHY BIG GEORGE JUST RETIRED!
“…evidence collected by Noviszky which may been found inadmissible at trail is probably going to be admissible here…”
thanks for that, BJ. this is a joyous day!
poor lance – he’s learning how a lifetime of sociopathy can have horrifically negative consequences.
thanks for the analysis! went straight from the washington post to here! i got my hierarchies straight. but doesn’t this take off some of the luster of big george’s retirement and his last tour?
I will crack open a nice Chimay tonight and toast Tygart and his large balls for bringing down Cancer Jesus and his Belgian Mafia….it is a glorious day.
Memo to fanboys and girls: Unlike the U.S. Attorney, USADA’s job is to protect clean sport rather than enforce specific criminal laws. The federal government was never investigating doping.
he sure did pull the wool over the eyes of all the little cancer kids.
Just give the wins to the red lantern dude, that would be perfect.
…“…dear mr tygart, ummm, travis…can i call you travis ???…
…i hope you enjoyed the giant fruit basket i recently sent you…
…the, ahhh, ‘basket lining’ you’ll note had 700,000 reasons why i’d like you to consider forgetting certain spiteful ‘allegations’ made by sadly jealous ex-teammates…
…& hey, if 100,000 reasons X 7 isn’t quite up to scratch, i can always scrounge up, like, way more reasons through a little organization i represent…i mean, i’m still like a god to somebody, at least !!!…
…anyway, mr tygart, ummm, travis, lemme know what your thinkin’ & let’s stay in touch…
…sweating it out in aspen,
with hope,
your new pal,
cancer lancer…”
This seems like a slap on the wrist to me compared to what could have happened if Novitzky was allowed to proceed BUT if the facts come out and Armstrong is exposed for the fraud he is then some good might come of it.
So if Cancer Jesus refuses to contest any of these charges, will any of the details make the light of day? Armstrong mostly battles in the court of public opinion. Will the testimony of each rider be made public?
Does USADA have a hearing or trial? Or do they just make their pronouncement and figuratively strip him of his titles?
…@ stephanie wei…you may just have nailed it…
…pretty much anybody else (& maybe including) was likely on ‘a program’ themselves…
@Stephanie Wei
Best answer I’ve heard so far to the question, “Who gets Armstrong’s Tour victories when we expose him as a cheat and a fraud?”
BJ Can you start a thread about the great white hope abandoning Le Tour
before it started?
I mean just the other day I heard Phill or Paul say the was THE “Head of State” and “training like a man possessed” and riding like a “one certain” Lance Armstrong.
@BGW great minds think alike
the only thing that would really surprise me is if Lance had truly not doped. as BJ noted a minimum of top 5 finishers also (or were) doping. why do we even really care. elite athletes are expected to continue to exceed the boundaries of believability and then we act horrified to learn that they used enhancements,supplements,what ever to fulfill those expectations. oh, the horror! the horror!
if they were all doping and Lance smoked ’em (there fore) if non doped Lance woulda smoked ’em
i am far from being a LOOPY but WTF let’s move on already!!!!!
sorry jonny, at one time i would have despised your journey to the dark side until i met , fell in love with and married a paralegal, thus dragging me down into the mire of the law and all that it (and it does matter what it means) adds to,detracts from and murkifies any given conversation with strictly linear interpretations and responses to any given comment, question or opinion.
So everyone is already calling it done?! I would assume that everyone here has the smoking gun that will pull LA from the back room and prove he is a cheat, lier, and doper?
I gotta say, I’ve been around cycling probably longer than anyone on here. I’ve been around amateur and pro racing faaar longer that 1 or 2 of you, and no, I didnt race, I WORKED FOR A LIVING!. I’ve been behind the doors, I’ve heard the stories and even witnessed a thing or two.
One way or another the witch hunt will keep going, and it will only be a matter of time before someone can prove something in the lowest common terms possible…probably something like “He is guilty of knowing HOW to dope, therefore he is guilty of doping and should be banned forever”. Ya, this makes sense, kind of like saying “ya I know what a gun is, so I must have robbed the store?” WTF.
The only thing that pisses me off more than this crap is the fact that every fat head, lazy ass sport in this country is so publicly guilty of steroid and doping, and no one cares.
Yes, cycling has doping. Yes, we have cheats. Now how about you turn the tables, go after NFL, NBA, MLB with the same energy! Why wont this happen, because every kid in the US will see what hippocrites pro player here are and wont want to grow up to be a concussion test dummy.
Let the story take its course, and when the facts are in, then jump on your bandwagon.
@Mike S.
I don’t what your point is but your tone falls into the Lance fanboy/all pro athletes cheat/the emperor has no clothes camp. The bullshit that says No One Cares is just that:Bullshit.
People who care about ethics are definitely in the minority and I’ve made this argument before here and on other forums so I’m just wasting my time continuing with this line of reason.
So why don’t you go to velosnooze or Versus where you and the other fanboys can whine together about how unfair it is poor Cancer Jesus is being held accountable for his actions.
I’ll bet everyone here on DC has already made their minds up about Armstrong’s guilt or innocence. The facts are already in and people with half a brain know that.
I’m just hoping for a final resolution to this sordid affair and some sweet, sweet Schadenfreude.
2005 – Entire podium stripped
2004 – Entire podium stripped
2003 – Entire podium stripped
2002 – Entire podium stripped
2001 – Entire podium stripped
2000 – Entire podium stripped
1999 – Armstrong, Zulle stripped.
Winner…? Escartin!
Also.
Awesome.
This is so stupid. It certainly doesn’t even come close to any conventional construct of “justice.” Now, they’re holding a top-ranked triathlete out of competition over DECADE OLD ACCUSATIONS (and not scientific empirical evidence)? Really?
Lame.
As a professional athlete, I can tell you that I want to compete against the best. I don’t do ironmans, but this handicaps the competition…doesn’t help it at all. The best athletes should be allowed to compete. And if they’re not, then the results are cheapened. Period.
Analogy time! It’s like taking away your J.D., Jonny, because someone stepped forward and accused you of cheating on your SAT a decade ago. So, while the authorities go back and investigate unusual anomalies and consider hearsay, you’re banned from practicing law. I mean, a bad SAT would have held you out of undergrad, right? And no B.A. means no admission to law school. All you’ve done, and are now doing, is on hold. Even if we can’t scientifically prove that you cheated (with our instruments of scientific proof), we’ll lean on the accusations of other cheats to shame you.
And what kind of “justice” is it to Armstrong (and his competition) if nothing comes of these accusations? He can’t go back and insert himself in a race he was was wrongfully banned from entering.
This is so stupid. USADA – Quit living in the past you crotchety old fucks. They have pills for your impotence. You don’t need to keep lynching retired athletes for your kicks. Focus on the integrity of current events. That’s why we pay you. Holding out highly ranked athletes because of accusations of past misdeeds is not protecting the integrity of current events.
As an mere undergraduate level telecommunication worker I would like to say…I love Cancer Jesus!…He’s awesome, He won 7 TDF’S, screwed Cherly Crow, and got a girl pregnant with 1 nut! He will, yet again, prevail against drug charges and then they will come up with another federal acronym in charge of investigating and he will beat that rap too!
@19
As a former pro racer myself, I feel your pain. Got a tip for ya buddy! Wanna roll with the big dogs? Is your preparation up to par? Know what I mean? nod wink
Got a hot tip from some friends in Europe. It’s all the rage in the peloton. Undetected by any and all tests. Make you stronger, faster and best of all it’s cheap! Sure, it will take a few years off your life. Who cares?
Try it you’ll like it.
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=jenkem
@19 or W or whatever you call yourself,
when you have to resort to an ad hominem argument style to try to “prove” your point, you might as well stay at home with the lights off.
@19 W that is what happens if you are found to cheat through any of the levels of school, usually! My girl is becoming a CPA and if there is anything that is hinkey in here past she can lose her license. I have to keep my nose clean because as a CPA if my actions affect her wealth it could harm her. So yeah he shouldn’t be able to compete in modern events if he cheated in old ones. A rapist who was just found out now should’t be able to work with women nowadays.
Does anyone else feel like the timing of this is more meant to undermine cycling as a legitimate sport in America?
I mean, if it were a legitimate sport, with real pro athletes representing the good ol’ U. S. of A. over in Euroland, there might be expectations.
Expectations, for instance, that drivers not hit cyclists. Expectations that there be real repercussions for those who do. Expectations that road maintenance occur. Expectations of -god forbid- community respect.
Instead, we have a subspecies of homo sapiens in the NFL, homo sapiens anabolicensis, and more air time on “sports” channels devoted to poker than to the pro peloton.
Nah, despite the excitement of a North American Giro d’ Italia winner, on an American team, this will be what makes all the morning news shows. Then, you will be told to go buy some deodorant, maxi pads, or gravy egg cholesterol bun. And enough people will do those things to continue this system on…and on…and on…
Saying nothing of course about the guilt or innocence of the parties involved.
I remember years ago when I told @BGW that this day would come and I caught all kinds of shit for saying it from he and a lot of you fuckers. Caught shit for talking the truth about Cancer Jesus. Caught shit for speaking out for Floyd and Tyler.
At the end of the day, cycling is better off without this fucking sociopath in the sport and i hope he and Knaggs, Stapleton, and College fucking rot for propagating the lie. LA has hurt a lot of people in the process and my only hope is that a lot of them find some kind of peace today.
Here is a tidbit for you:
http://www.scribd.com/doc/97022278/USADA-v-Armstrong-et-al
We’re not talking about rape or murder or crimes (especially since no one is pursuing any related criminal charges). We’re talking about standards of professional conduct that, at best, were laxly enforced for DECADES. So, now, for no explicable reason, the USADA is kicking up settled dust in some sort of public shaming ritual.
I have a fundamental problem with this whole ‘living in the past’ crap.
But, let’s set that aside.
If USPS team doctors and managers are the people providing testimony, then why hasn’t the USADA immediately suspended ALL CYCLISTS AND COACHES from those teams who are still competing? I’m looking right at Hincapie, for example. That’s not happening. That tells me that there’s something inherently unfair with how this accusation/investigation thing is proceeding. Get it?
They’ve singled out one individual from a mess of questionable (at best) empirical evidence, testimony from guilty (alleged) co-conspirators, fuzzy memories, and wild stories (like Landis guarding the blood bank while the varsity went out prowling for strippers in Gerona). C’mon. This is absurd.
Now I know there are a bunch of old tymers who hate Lance Armstrong because he’s Lance Armstrong and he has an ego and he’s an adulterer and god-knows-what else. And people love him for his philanthropy. And some people hate the people who love because it’s fun for irrational people to argue with one another. I’m neither a lover nor a hater.
My issue is that being an athlete myself, I find the entire accusation/investigation/suspension process unfair, opaque, and detrimental to the quality of present day competition. I put faith in scientific evidence, and Armstrong has *officially* been clean in the tests.
Aside from that, I don’t live in the past and have a hard time trying to single out individuals from an entirely dirty peloton in 1999. Let the past be what it was and move on already…especially since everyone has made up his/her mind already.
For the record, I haven’t launched an ‘ad hominem’ attack here. I’m sorry my logic felt so threatening, though.
Perhaps this whole ‘living in the past’ crap isn’t meant necessarily for public shaming, but for making an example for the present and future athletes out there.
We need to start calling this site “DrunkLawyer.com”
Funny how certain bodies are so quick to strip a cyclists title, yet so many other sport teams retain their glory, even with a tarnished athlete in their midst.
Just sayin..
I’m certainly no fanboy. For every one of his Tour victories (and many other non-Tour victories), I was rooting for the guy who ended up 2nd, 3rd, or cracked so bad he ended up 20 minutes back well off the podium (all dopers probably). But I don’t understand the joy that many of you are getting out of this. What good comes of this, particularly if he is found guilty and is stripped of everything? I’m asking that seriously – I don’t get it, but I’m will to understand. What are you going to learn, that Lance doped? I can tell you that without an investigation – yes. He’s lying when he says he didn’t. Guess what, so are many other cyclists. But you guys all know that already. So what if he loses his titles? Do you sit around looking at the record books pissed that other dopers have titles? What does any of this accomplish and are there negative consequences that we should be concerned with? One last question, if this is just about doping, how come so many on here are sympathetic to VDB but despise Lance? I enjoyed watching both race. I don’t ask these questions sarcastically. I read fanboy comments on Velonews and I want to puke, but I come here and I scratch my head wondering why people are so worked up about a guy that probably doesn’t have any impact on their lives.
@30 For the same reason we all enjoy seeing the bad guy in an action movie (or any movie, I guess) go down at the end.
I think it’s nuts that people assume that the guys who won or were on the podium were the only dopers. I never liked Lance and wasn’t even into cycling until he retired, but how did he get more guilty by winning?
I enjoy seeing someone that has profited immensely by claiming to be something that he isn’t and getting his army of PR and lawyers to descend upon anyone that was willing to speak the truth. Frankie and Betsy at least deserve that much.
W
Well, referring to USADA as “crotchety old fucks” and implying that they need “pills for their impotence” certainly sounds ad hominem from here.
I suppose it is valid to object on the grounds that it happened in the past … except this concerns an athlete who is still competitive on an interntaional level and a DS and MD’s who are actively involved in the sport. However, one can also make the case that what happened in the past in cycling has been swept under the rug for generations and doing so certainly never made this a clean sport.
You state that Armstrong has been “officially” clean in the tests. It should be apparent by now one need not test positive to be sanctioned for doping or found guilty of it (see David Millar, the 1998 Festina Team minus Christophe Bassons, etc). A clean record of negative is no longer a guarantee of clean riding, unfortunately, and there are means and evidence available to avoid testing positive.
I agree that the doping/drug code was laxly enforced for DECADES, as you state. However, is this any reason to not begin enforcing it? When should USADA or WADA begin enforcing it? It should be remembered that it is only relatively recently that there has been a systematic attempt at stopping doping in sports and it is an effort that is constantly evolving. It was only in 2004, under threat from the IOC that the UCI handed over it’s doping control to WADA. Have patience with the process, as it was often weakened or debilitated or corrupted in the past.
@30, or stock cars crash and burst in to flames.
it doesn’t seem like you can evaluate this as if it is something that has just come to attention. this is a whole mature organism that has been grown from many different foundations. so although it may seem crazy to be going after lance, metaphorically, not in any literal sense of course, it’s like deciding whether or not to have a national referendum on bringing a war criminal to trial. the once dictatorship is now a democracy, if not somewhat flawed, but basically free of the past and functioning as if their dark past didn’t happen but there is still that pustular abscess that has apparently healed but is still throbbing under and poisoning the national character. so cycling fans feel the same need to cleanse their culture.
The discourse on this site is the best I’ve seen. You people are the shit. BUT: I was assigned the task of riding with Lance during a 100 mile charity ride last year. I passionately support the charity, so I told the promoter I’d bite my tongue and be nice to Lance. Because I pretty much hated Lance at the time. Cheaters suck cock. Period. I did a lot of pro racing in the early 2000’s and lost count of the number of fuckers I raced against who got busted. Again, they are fuckers, and Lance is the King Fucker. The father of all fuckers. So this was on my mind as I rode with him for almost 5 hours, and chatted with him for a couple of those hours. But what zapped me was one 22 year old elite runner who had testicular cancer at 19. Dude was honed and fit, but he barely survived cancer. We talked for a while before I persuaded him to cruise up and chat with Lance. They talked for 15 minutes or so, then the kid rolled back to me and we continued our conversation. All I can say is that I flipped 180 at that moment. Lance has a real effect on these people. The effect overcame my hatred. I am not a fan now, but I don’t hate the fucker any more. So I see the Cancer Jesus comments, and they rankle. His inspiration to people who are or have fought cancer is real, and the LAF has mostly done good stuff. So maybe some of ya’ll should be a little more circumspect.
Lance is the spawn of Lee’fucking’Majors.
Why do all you guys wanna go mess with shit like that?
Get real jokers and haters.
Many of us who have worked in the bike industry the last decade can thank lance directly for the rise in popularity of our sport. His pr team rivals any individual athlete’s since Jordan. So any concrete conviction or damnation upon his image would be catastrophic towards his “brand” and the validity of his charities.
Anyone who knows me knows I do not like the individual, but you have to admire the empire he has built, even if it is based on a certain level of cheating. Cycling is one of the only professional sports that allows certain levels of hypocrisy within it’s doping rules. Hematocrit levels, stimulants, Jonny likes to mention that every rider in the pelaton has a prescription for asthma meds, these things when managed are all within the rules.
It’s a lot like in “animal house” …’sure we took advantage of a few of our female party guests….. But this would be an indictment on the united states of America’ (paraphrased)
Now comes the PR spin.. I never failed a drug test, so I passed all the regulations at the time of request, this based on hearsay and possible samples with compromised chain of ownership. Didn’t we just see this with rodger Clemens? And who are you to acusse me when you are a governing body of what and have no legal powers and don’t follow standard legal procedures? in legal courts I have been found not guilty, this is borderline double jeopardy and harassment with defamation of character for a counter suit.
The end of the day, lance did drugs, beat the pelaton who where all on drugs and beat the tests to determine the drugs he was on. That is all I need to know, so the IOC and whoever else can go waste thier time busting chinese gymnasts and divers at the olympics and leave my cycling alone! We all have DC to expose us to the real side of the sport we love.
Oh bye the way, I think Ulrich should get 3 of those tour titles and I want my $ back from Nick A. for those bets I lost all those years at DC!!
Word to the motha fuck’n Vlade.
Vlade, I have known you a long time, and that might had been some of the smartest words to ever come out of your mouth.
yawn…..this AGAIN?? majority of the comments on my local rag were NO -ONE CARES and NO-ONE CARES ABOUT CYCLING.
yeah we all know he did it. but he worked the system and got away with it, get over it. why, why, why the endless witch hunt?
hope my tax dollars are putting the same scrutiny on the NFL. this just hurts our graceful sport.
boring sidney, boring!
ya Vlade, you tell ’em….err…us!
…@ humpty…i don’t mind you bringing up the past ‘cuz originally, it was quite true…
…i speak only for myself & you’re 100% correct…at that time, i certainly did give you an earful of shit as i was fool enough to buy into cancer jesus, hook, line & stinker but then again when the word came out from too many team riders who were actually involved in the process, not just support folks but guys i realized had nothing more to lose, i not only recanted, i took the time to personally address you here with an apology…
…i’ve tried to be straight up with no excuses…when i’m wrong, i’m wrong…if i bullshit myself, i don’t learn a fucking thing & ultimately, any discourse on the above subject is about the health of this sport, something i personally care about…
…your turn…
…cap’n tony…guess we both realized right at ‘the drop’ that a little fun here might ease the upcoming tension, ya ???…& that tension is here…
…anyway…
…when any discussion comes up as regards cancer lancer & ‘legalities’, it seems there are commentators who come out of the woodwork to parrot his attorney’s ‘sound bites’ in such a disingenuous manor that i’m led to believe they’re part of a protective little lance-network that trolls cycling websites after the collating software reveals ‘name’ activity …
…
How about the cyclists that train hard dont dope and dont deserve to ride against cyclists that do !!!!!!!!
Just another opinion from the unwashed rabble; but I think the bigger picture here is how the UCI will be implicated in all of this. (And how they will attempt to deflect culpability).
I happen to think that Fat Pat’s filthy, porcine-like hands are all over this fucking mess.
Don’t even get me started on that fucking scumbag Bruyneel… I sure hope this is the end for THAT asshole.
(Again, just my opinion. Flame on!)
OR…it might be the last piece in the white-washing process of LA. If cleared, that will put the final, indisputable rubber stamp on LA’s career…for the history books.
B4 any of you dipshits direct any comments at me, you should know I think he did it.
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Can’t wait to hear how Phil and Paul spin this one next month!