It is important to note that while the Weatherman set off bombs when Barak Obama was eight years old, Todd Palin was a member of the Alaskan Independence Party for years. He ended his association only recently. The AIP’s stated aim is for Alaska to secede from the Union. In case any of you are wondering – unlike that shit the Fox crowd screams about Obama – succession is treason.
§ 2381. Treason
Whoever, owing allegiance to the United States, levies war against them or adheres to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort within the United States or elsewhere, is guilty of treason and shall suffer death, or shall be imprisoned not less than five years and fined under this title but not less than $10,000; and shall be incapable of holding any office under the United States.
§ 2384. Seditious conspiracy
If two or more persons in any State or Territory, or in any place subject to the jurisdiction of the United States, conspire to overthrow, put down, or to destroy by force the Government of the United States, or to levy war against them, or to oppose by force the authority thereof, or by force to prevent, hinder, or delay the execution of any law of the United States, or by force to seize, take, or possess any property of the United States contrary to the authority thereof, they shall each be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than twenty years, or both.
Source: www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/18/usc…
People should be yelling this from the fucking rooftops.
[I]f McCarthy-era guilt-by-association is once again a valid political consideration, Palin, it would seem, has more to lose than Obama. Palin, it could be argued, following her own logic, thinks so little of America’s perfection that she continues to “pal around” with a man–her husband, actually–who only recently terminated his seven-year membership in the Alaskan Independence Party. Putting plunder above patriotism, the members of this treasonous cabal aim to break our country into pieces and walk away with Alaska’s rich federal oil fields and one-fifth of America’s land base–an area three-fourths the size of the Civil War Confederacy.
. . . AIP’s creation was inspired by the rabidly violent anti-Americanism of its founding father Joe Vogler, “I’m an Alaskan, not an American,” reads a favorite Vogler quote on AIP’s current website, “I’ve got no use for America or her damned institutions.” According to Vogler AIP’s central purpose was to drive Alaska’s secession from the United States. Alaska, says current Chairwoman Lynette Clark, “should be an independent nation.”
Source: www.huffingtonpost.com/…alaskan-independence
Joe Vogler might have acutally been a terrorist, just the type of person the right is quick to accuse Obama of assocaiting with: “Vogler was murdered in 1993 during an illegal sale of plastic explosives that went bad” See id. Who the hell needs to buy illegal plastic explosives?
Do I know what he was going to do with them? No. Of course not. But we’re far beyond above board political conversations in this country. If an association with Ayers is bad, then being a member of the AIP is bad as well.
I think there is a lot more to come on this…
Update: After a good night’s sleep following a week of awful midterms, I realize this post lacks clarity. In my haste putting this post together, I oversimplified the issues related to Todd Palin’s former political party, the AIP, and their goal of splitting Alaska off from the rest of the United States. Seditious conspiracy is not synonymous with treason. They are, in fact, two different crimes with different burdens of proof, different punishments, etc.
See: www.frontpagemag.com/articles…
And see: United States v. Rodriguez.
The point I had wanted to make was the attacks on Obama for associated himself with a former member of the group Weather Underground are a bit of a stretch as the “association” comes some twenty years following the illegal activities of Ayers. Also, and perhaps more importantly, Todd Palin was until recently a member of a political party whose stated goal is one of sedition. Sarah Palin both attended and gave speeches at AIP conventions. If we’re going to point fingers about who doesn’t love America…
interesting, i was under the impression that Palin was fully vetted by the McCain camp…
Obama & Biden may not be the cleanest politicians but you have to stretch a little to reach the rotten fruit on their fruit trees.
the fruit trees of McCain & Palin on the other hand only need a little shaking and the basket is full.
I can only hope that their tree gets shook in the next 2 weeks. if only the majority of the GOP constituency didn’t love the taste of rotten fruit….
First we lose all the T&A posted here and now all I see are political rants???? WTF?
Not to put too fine a point on it, but I think succession, which is simply the coming of one person or thing after another in order, is perfectly acceptable. Whereas,secession is provided for by Article IV of the United States Constitution which provides for the creation of new states of the Union, requiring that any such creation be approved by the legislature of the affected state(s), as well as the United States Congress.
Political views notwithstanding, if it’s Constitutional, it isn’t treasonous.
no t&a has been lost on DC…. look around. it’s here. and plenty of it.
but some of us have priorities. something our county has lost and flat-out misscatagorized. shit’s been ignored long enough and the mind meld is on the verge of being irreversable. somebody’s got to care.
but alas, we all need a break. off to see what’s being served up for the weekly video…
WU bombed when Obama was 8, but he chose to break bread with them when he was a man.
Here’s a questions… of the 100’s of millions that were spent on that board that OB and Ayers served on, what was accomplished? Anyone know?
I know they were trying to improve the schools in Chicago, did they get anything for all those millions? I mean, BO put his kids in private school so assume the education wasn’t improved much if any.
Sarah breaks bread with the “First Dude” every night. It makes me laugh, and get scared to see how out of it these right wingers are. I think you could turn up pictures of the “First Dude” wiping his ass with the American Flag and they still would vote for them. It’s as simple as this Barack Obama= Black. They won’t vote for him because of it, and this is all the cover up for it…
KG’s on point. Clarity is this:
“all those millions” is a generalization that will never be clarified, nor should it matter at this point.
Ayers association with the Chicago Annenberg Foundation – where Obama Hussein served on the board – was in fact, as a board member of the Cross City Campaign for Urban School Reform. They wrote, and won, a petition for funding via the Chicago Annenberg Foundation. Simple as that, and completely buried by mass media.
Reference: edweek.com
Need more: Politico.com on Obama’s relationship with Ayers
The following presents the exposure McSame had, with the very same organization that funded Ayers “radical” urban improvement program:
The man who prosecuted Ayers opinion on the matter
As the lead federal prosecutor of the Weathermen in the 1970s (I was then chief of the criminal division in the Eastern District of Michigan and took over the Weathermen prosecution in 1972), I am amazed and outraged that Senator Barack Obama is being linked to William Ayers’s terrorist activities 40 years ago when Mr. Obama was, as he has noted, just a child.
Although I dearly wanted to obtain convictions against all the Weathermen, including Bill Ayers, I am very pleased to learn that he has become a responsible citizen.
Because Senator Obama recently served on a board of a charitable organization with Mr. Ayers cannot possibly link the senator to acts perpetrated by Mr. Ayers so many years ago.
I do take issue with the statement in your news article that the Weathermen indictment was dismissed because of “prosecutorial misconduct.” It was dismissed because of illegal activities, including wiretaps, break-ins and mail interceptions, initiated by John N. Mitchell, attorney general at that time, and W. Mark Felt, an F.B.I. assistant director.
William C. Ibershof
Mill Valley, Calif., Oct. 8, 2008
Tempest. Teapot.
Good quote from the lead prosecutor.
Not really sure about Ayers, but far as I know he is living pretty clean these days. Things change with time.
As a country, we once supported Hussein/Iraq, Afghanistan’s “freedom fighters”, Noriega…so I guess that could make the U.S. a sponsor of evil?
The Palins are shitwits. The whole thing would be humorous if I wasn’t so worried.
So where the hell is Cheney these days?
Worried is the word. Now the news breaks that abuse of power has occured. Two posts down.. Those idiots won’t care. They will justify it to themselves. After all it is the mindless sheep that vote for these types of people. They fear decision making and want to sit in their homes watching tv melting their brains.
KG,
The US government funded Bin Laden through the Mujaheddin when he was fighting the Russians. What does this make the government complicit in? (Wait, I like this logic…) Are you going to push this to the same extent that you push the Obama-Ayers non-connection? Because it’s real, unlike the Obama-Ayers thing. Be consistent.
Abuse of Public Trust
can you call a chick an Ass Clown? Can we call her a Tool? What do you call this woman other than the C word is what I want to know
And the friday night news dump shows us that the investigation into her abuse of power was justified. She DID abuse the public trust by going on a witch-hunt against her ex-brother-in-law.
Not that it will get any coverage on FOX, etc. mind you.
And one last thing about Ayers. He TURNED HIMSELF IN. The prosecution couldn’t convict because of some assclowns fucking shit up. How about we dig up George Washington and put his bones on display as ‘The First American Terrorist.” seeing as that is what he was, back in the day. Of course we call him ‘patriot’ now. Maybe we should get Rumsfeld out here to talk about Guilt By Association. We saw him shaking hands with Saddam during the time we were selling him weapons that he TURNED AROUND AND USED ON HIS OWN PEOPLE.
Its a shell game people. A con. They want the KG’s of the world to not think for themselves and follow FOX news blindly instead of thinking…”He was an asshole and tried to fuck shit up. But he’s not doing that shit now; hell, he’s actually an upstanding citizen. How about that…? I guess people CAN change.”
But they never will because Fox is nothing more than Inside Edition with a bigger budget. It’s what The Superficial wishes it was, but not as funny.
—bp
@butthead: What do you call this woman other than the C word is what I want to know.
Cunt is concise and descriptive. I think that’s the word Hemingway would have used. Here’s hoping that the McCain candidacy is the last we’ll hear of the republican party in this country for a very long time.
tonight at bar close, like 147 am. 7 Latino east siders had to be “held back” by their girl friends because they wanted to beat the shit out of some dumb white kid who was calling Obama a terrorist. I wish everyone could have seen this. I though I was going to see a physical fight over political bull shit. I gotta say, I’ve seen some stupid fights in my time as a pedicab driver, but this was inspiring. It was as if they were all getting called pussies and this white boy was gonna get fucked up for it. Beautiful. I hope those kids vote.
KG – “WU bombed when Obama was 8, but he chose to break bread with them when he was a man. ”
This is exactly the BS the Republicans are pushing. Did Obama “break bread” with the WU? Or did he associate with a former member 30+ years later?
This kind of stuff has fueld these kind of feelings in the ignorant people. This is not good at all, especially in tense times like these:
http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/10/10/mccain.crowd/index.html
You know who was a GREAT American terrorist (and one more suitable termed as such as opposed to G. Washington)….Samuel Adams. And now he brews a mighty fine beer. I think we should all drink some.
Obama/Ayers is a non-factor. If this is the tripping point for some people as to why they would not vote for Obama, I feel bad for them. By the same token…I could give a flying fuck what Mr. Palin has done…he’s not running for VP…and he rides a snowmobile.
There are people who will not vote for Obama because he’s black. That’s absolutely true. Those people will look past the Sarah Palin catastrophe and justify it as a “political witch hunt”, even though a bipartisan committee did the investigating. BUT—Barack Obama did spend 20 years in Jeremiah Wright’s wacky church. He is associated with ACORN, who are embroiled in their own scandal right now. I believe ACORN was paying people to register to vote. Absolutely. But there are plenty of people who will look past any scandal or shady behavior/associations on Obama’s side BECAUSE he’s black. That’s racist, as well.
Both sides suck. Neither side is willing to come out and admit the truth, which is they are voting for or against a candidate based on race. Obama’s not qualified to be president. No way. He doesn’t come from the business world, has never been mayor or governor. He’s never really done anything but go to college, be a “community organizer”, serve in the state house(where he didn’t do anything of substance), and get elected to the Senate(where he immediately began running for president). He’s a pretty package. He’s all sizzle and no steak. No record. Never had a job, even.
Biden is a non-issue for me. Do I think he could be a good president? Probably. Maybe not. If Obama’s elected, there’s a good chance Biden will eventually be president. There has been so much hatred and fear whipped up around Obama that I’m certain some nutter will assassinate him. It’s certainly possible. The right wingers have painted him as some weird cross between Louis Farrakhan and Osama bin Laden.
McCain is a child or privilege who got everything he’s ever had because of who he is. He got into a good private school because he father was an Admiral. He avoided any punishment for his actions for the same reason. He received a Naval Academy appointment because of his father—and should have been drummed out many times but used family connections to stay in, graduating at the bottom of his class. He crashed 4 planes before he was shot down, which would have caused any other pilot to be grounded. He left his first wife for a hotter, younger, richer woman—after his first wife waited for him during his captivity, and after she had a disfiguring car crash. His second wife plugged him into a river of wealth, but he still got involved in the Keating 5 scandal.
Palin? What a fucking joke. McCain picked her to placate the Bible thumping whacko fundies. She’s not qualified to be vice president, and certainly not president. Now it looks like the woman who wants to shatter the glass ceiling ceded lots of power to her uneducated husband while governor. Nice. Abuse of power. Bullying state employees. Destroying the reputation of a state trooper to further personal grievances. She’s like Dick Cheney in a dress.
THEY ALL SUCK. If you vote for the lesser of two evils you’re still voting for evil. Have some balls and vote third party. Voting against someone is no reason to go to the polls. Fuck. I don’t care which party you vote for. Libertarian, Constitution, Green, Socialist, what the fuck? Just vote differently. Don’t vote for the flip sides of the same goddamned coin. Between the two main candidates, they’ve raised almost a billion dollars! You really think they aren’t beholden to the same corporate interests? You think they give a shit about you? They both backed the trillion dollar bailout—-socialized risk but privatized gain.
Burning Down The House – why we are in the financial mess today
This is 10 minutes long but it went fast. Very interesting.
If you agree(makes you mad), pass it on.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1RZVw3no2A4&feature=iv&annotation_id=event_597487
Hyperlink to the op-ed peice by Ibershof (quoted by James above) over at the NY Times:
http://www.nytimes.com/…opinion/l10ayers.html
Worth taking a look at.
@Mike: THEY ALL SUCK. If you vote for the lesser of two evils you’re still voting for evil. Have some balls and vote third party.
I’m with you on the general level of suckitude, but anyone who doesn’t believe that there is a very real, very important choice to be made on November 4 is just kidding himself. It bugs the living shit out of me that every 4 years we find ourselves asking “are these actually the best leaders our system can produce?” but the sad fact of the matter is that either John McCain or Barack Obama is going to be the next President of the United States. The effete vanity voters (and vanity candidate) who couldn’t grasp the same truth about Bush and Gore had a lot to do with how the last 8 years have gone. Don’t you think that more than a few of the fucktards who voted for Nader would like a do-over on that one?
all that nyt article says the prosecution was dismissed because of technical reasons, not that ayers wasnt guilty. a difference to be noted. murders, child molesters, drug dealers get the same treatment is the prosecution doesnt do its job correctly.
and i dont think the question is how old O was when that stuff happened.
its more about why does O say ayers was ‘someone who lives in his neighborhood’, and skip the parts where O and ayers were close associates in other legal endeavors ?
why not just be up front on that, give the questioners a pre-emptive answer ?
america,
I think you should check out the FactCheck article on the Obama-Ayers non issue and then shut the fuck up.
http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/he_lied_about_bill_ayers.html
(it’s not their finding, it’s the McCain statement their are checking)
But then reading isn’t really the thing for the lunatic fringe, right or left. There was NO close relationship. Now go get your daily dose of Hannity and Limbaugh.
america,
You wrote:
No. That is not all the article says or what Ibershof wrote.
The second paragraph, in its entirety, reads as follows:
The third paragraph, in its entirety, reads as follows:
In case you claim to be writing about the cnn.com article; I cannot find reference to the statement you made in that either.
You should re-think going to law school if this is the best legal analysis you can muster about belonging to a political party. It doesn’t rise to the level of being weak. It is simply wrong. If you embark on a career in law, you’ll get your ass kicked. The sad thing is that you won’t recognize the reason for your failure to be a weak mind. Instead, you’ll chalk it up to a prejudiced judge.
Here is something to consider. Your opinion is grounded on faulty premises and weak reasoning.
And to assert that reasoned opposition to Obama becoming president is mere prejudice reveals your own support being mere bias because he is 1/16th black. Except that reason is false because Obama is African Muslim and not black (unless by your math 1/16th negro overwhelms 15/16ths other races in the mix).
But all that is beside the point. The reasons to oppose Obama are his mind and socio-economic beliefs and practices. Obama is a marxist. If that’s what you want leading the country, you are pathetically weak-minded and not deserving of the Constitution that protects your right to be oh so wrong.
Hey, didn’t G-Dub introduce the most socialistic infringement on the American public by way of 700 billion dollars? Isn’t he a republican?
Just say’n…
Hey Smarter, this pill popping porn site is not legal analysis. We are not applying fact patterns to statutes and prior court judgments. We are talking about what makes a fair criticism when sifting through the dirt of one’s political life.
Now to your thoughtful comments: I honestly have no idea what you are talking about when comparing Obama’s Blackness to the percentage of his lineage that is African-Muslim. All that matters to the average racist in Ohio is that he is not white. He’s got dark skin and people in the flyover states have been blaming the entirety of their economic hard times on any and all minority groups for years. They cannot bring themselves to trust a man with dark skin and a funny name. A white guy named “Smith” is fine. A black guy names “Hussein” is not.
Obama is a Marxist? Are you fucking serious? A Marxist? Explain the money he’s made, his wife’s career or the house they own. The man is a fucking capitalist.
You’re so full of shit I don’t even know why I’m taking the time to write this. I know full well there is nothing I can that will penetrate your thick skull. Yeah, now I’m getting personal. But you got my blood up when you attacked my choice of study. Fuck you. Don’t question my abilities you fucking piece of shit. I’ll put trade marks around your fucking eyes.Gnome: yes, the prez did put forth the bail-out, and there has to be better ways to fix things, BUT all the dems voted for it as well.
WHY ?!?!? does that mean they vote with the republicans now ?!?!?
most of the congress is complicit in this mess.
bigjonny – regardless, ayers was dismissed due to ineptness of the prosection, not because he wasnt guilty. he has admitted as much.
and now he cant be prosecuted a 2nd time, right (double jeopardy thing).
Stalin was a marxist, and he lived good. off the millions of comrades back.
I doubt O is a cruel person, but im just sayin, money has nothing to do with your political leanings. esp here in america.
hopefully you are not pursuing criminal law/defense.
trying to get criminals off due to technical reasons, and not because they are not guilty.
and even tho it wasnt directed toward me:
the trade marks remark, too scary.
you should have typed it in CAPS and really shook things up.
good one cochran.
eljefe :
Annenberg Public Policy Center ?
right, good resource. not at all a liberal leaning institution.
like asking the wolves if chickens like to be eaten.
America – I’ll be the first to admit tough posturing behind the comfort of a keyboard is pretty damn lame. I let the name calling get to me for a minute there. I’d delete my post but fuck it. If it’s not listed in the comments, then my later explanations will not make sense.
Smarter Thanyou – if you read this far, I’m not really going to put trade marks around your eyes. That was just the coffee talking. But don’t tell me I’ll fail as an attorney. That is just plain mean. Plus, now that I’ve taken the time to notice the email you left has “girl” in it, I realize I’ve just threatened physical violence against a woman. I’m a class act. Sorry ’bout that. I lost it like my name was John McCain.
America – As for defense work, the burden is on the state to prove its case to a jury beyond a reasonable doubt. If that fails to happen, in the system we have in the United States of America, the defendant is found not guilty. As to what a “technicality” is, I am unsure what you mean. Lack of a search warrant? Beating up a suspect? You have to draw a line somewhere, don’t you?
I have issue with labeling Obama a Marxist. I just cannot see how it fits. And I’m being serious. I actually took the time to read the wiki article I linked above to refresh my memory of just what Karl Marx put forth. I don’t see much of Barak Obama in that. Maybe later I’ll dig out the copy of the Communist Manifesto I’ve got buried somewhere on the bookshelf downstairs and read through that too.
Be not mistaken, I am no communist. Libertarian would be a closer tag. Left leaning on social issues definitely. But I digress… The problem with Ayers, at least to me, is not whether he was guilty or innocent, but that questioning the “relationship” between him and Barak Obama is foolish, meaningless and a distraction. It is a red herring. It is a non-issue. It does not matter is Obama and this guy “broke bread” or not.
America, I expect the dems to vote towards the liberal end of things a majority of the time, especially when the people cry foul… and cry foul they did. So it makes sense that they did. Seems like standard operating procedure.
Complicit is too strong a word. It suggests they actually understood what they were doing and I just can’t give (especially Pulosi and Barney)them that kind of credit. They are a confederacy of dunces at best.
Lastly, and not that this will put opinion at bay (nor should it), but Acorn and Ayers are as irrelevant as Keating or the AIP. This is all just filler while both candidates configure new ways to appeal to their constituency, and McSame is in a harder pinch than the black guy.
We are so divergent from the meat that needs to be discussed, it is frustrating and painful to experience as a citizen.
No intent here to offend. Just say’n.
america stated:
“…you are pathetically weak-minded and not deserving of the Constitution that protects your right to be oh so wrong.”
so the weak minded don’t deserve constitutional protection?
Who defines weak minded?
You know, it seems to me that the people who like to use words like Socialist, Marxist, Communist, Anarchist, Nihilst etc. don’t fully understand what they even mean.
back up the statements with some clarification if you are going to use them.
example: “I think Joe is an extremist because he set his balls on fire to prove a point.”
Pirata,
I think you mean to quote my new best friend Smarther Thanyou. It was her that said “. . . you are pathetically weak-minded and not deserving of the Constitution that protects your right to be oh so wrong.”
America,
It’s too bad, but truth has a liberal bias. Factcheck.org is widely regarded as non-partisan. But then, I’ll bet you think FauxNews is a reliable source. Explain to me exactly what is incorrect about it, other than you don’t like it.
Smarter,
Do you believe that racist crap? Fuck you if you do. First off, being Muslim is not a crime. Second, Obama’s not Muslim. It’s the Right’s secret code word for black, or are you more comfortable with nigger. I’ll bet you are a real upstanding “Christian” you hypocritical shit. You are part of the American Taliban. There’s no difference between a Christian fundamentalist who wants to turn the US into a theocracy, and the Muslim fundamentalists who took over the middle east.
http://www.nationalblackrepublicans.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=pages.DYK-Open%20Letter%20To%20Obama&tp_preview=true
Hey big jonny,
Ease up on the coffee man.
There is really no need to be tossing out red herrings of your own on some white trash double-wide Alaskan good ‘ol boy.
Yeah, he’s a complete ignorant jackass who has recently been shown to use his proximity to power unethically, but there is no need to go bathe in that pile of shit.
All that will happen is you just get covered with their shit, that’s it.
It is much easier to show how off track the Rep. ticket is if the issues stay on the front page.
It’s pretty fucking simple.
8 years ago, the US had a surplus and life was pretty fucking good.
4 years ago, the US was sort of fucked up but was still able to recover with just a little work here ‘n there.
Now, the fucking country has been driven into the ground; and if we are all lucky, in 20 years it will be as good as it was 8 years ago.
Who had control of the presidency during that time? The Rep. party.
Who had control of the congress during the majority of that time? The Rep. party.
This is a pretty fucking simple thing to figure out.
Just to be clear,
Stalin was not a Marxist.
Mao was not a Marxist.
& Obama is really not a Marxist.
A classic Democratic FDR style ‘New Deal’ visionary, but no where near a Marxist.
Oh and lastly big jonny, I really hope when you go into practice, some of your time can be focused on traffic accidents regarding bicycles ’cause this shit ain’t getting any better and your personal experience in this matter would be very beneficial.
Ryan—PLEASE don’t parrot that “US had a surplus” bullshit. We have been in debt for decades. A projected budget surplus doesn’t do anything for that. Clinton’s surplus was a smoke and mirrors act. The national debt grew under him too. No candidate wants to talk about paying down the deficit. Not Obama with his billions in new spending. Not McCain with his 100 more years of Iraq war. Nobody wants to hear what it’s going to take to achieve some financial security—-which is to drastically cut spending AND raise taxes. Surplus, HA. You must be kidding. The national debt went from 4.5 trillion dollars to 5.5 trillion dollars under Clinton. He wasn’t a financial whiz. People confuse a budget surplus with the national debt.
Bush has spent money like a drunken sailor on shore leave, no doubt. But coming into office with a 5.5 trillion dollar national debt didn’t help matters. Interest on that much debt is HUGE.
It’s more of a question of rate of growth regarding national debt since WWII.
Good graphs: http://www.cedarcomm.com/~stevelm1/usdebt.htm
And, yes, you are correct that the debt had grown markedly every year since Carter was President. The relationship between revenue and spending under different administrations is of note. Clinton stands out in that assessment.
I’ve got to tell you, no matter who is in the Whitehouse, I don’t see how we can aviod raisin taxes.
You’re telling me, I have to pay more taxes for my Raisins?
That’s totally f’d.
now ryan, you know the president doesnt make law. its the congress,
both senate and house. yes, the country is in a mess now, but it was done by all involved parties, donkeys and elephants. the donkeys had majority for at least the last two years, and that didnt help now did it ? now quit playing with your ‘puter and read your american government books until its time for dinner.
mom
For the record, that last link was not posted by me. Have the balls to post under your own handle dickhead.
el jefe,
I checked, you are correct. Post 36 above was submitted via the same IP address as whomever has been posting under the name “america” and not the addy associated with your prior posts.
We can require registration with the site in order to post comments, if this sort of thing becomes and issue.
just say’n.
shit jonny, don’t let the ip addresses out of the bag, Floyd might get pissed and track my ass down! Last thing I need is a high testosterone chipontheshoulder Mennonite beatdown.
yep, meant smarterthanyou, not america in post 33. sorry america.
So, it appears that McCain can be linked to Ayers as well: McCain has been endorsed by the widow Annenburg (President and chairman of the Anneburg Foundation which america thinks is hopelessly liberal…), who is a Republican and worked for Reagan. Ayers worked for Annenburg. Oh snap.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/10/08/mccains-trumpets-endorsem_n_132954.html
Big Jonny, or BJ for short.
Can your mind be so small that you cannot comprehend that opposition to Obama can be based on something other than his race?
Obama was an acolyte of Saul Alinsky aka the Marxist Machiavelli of Chicago. Oh yea, Hillary was also offered a job from Mr. Alinsky, to.
Let’s invoke a metaphor, shall we? What would you think of Palin if she had interned with David Duke? Would you think her a racist per se? Would you think that she shared Duke’s beliefs?
Don’tcha think maybe Herr Obama shares Alinsky’s beliefs? If so, would you think there might be a pattern association with such thinkers?
Let’s look at the trail, shall we? The following is a cut and paste:
Obama’s Marxist Axis Of Friends
By INVESTOR’S BUSINESS DAILY | Posted Monday, May 05, 2008 4:20 PM PT
Election ’08: Barack Obama wishes questions about his associations with Rev. Jeremiah Wright, Bill Ayers and other radicals would end. But maybe the reason they won’t is that there’s a pattern: Marxism. It’s not hiding.
When one looks at Obama, it’s shocking how radical and anti-American his closest associates are. Taken separately, the black liberation theology of the Rev. Jeremiah Wright, or fundraiser William Ayers’ unrepentant past as a 1960s terrorist or Obama’s openly pro-Che Guevara volunteers in Houston might be dismissed.
But taken together, and given Obama’s closeness to his friends, it’s fair to ask whether Obama doesn’t share their extreme-left views. Yet whenever he’s asked, he gets mad and avoids the issue.
Maybe that’s not surprising, given that Obama himself began his career as a Chicago community organizer and worked on projects there influenced by Saul Alinsky. The Marxist Machiavellian of the Chicago scene advised budding revolutionaries in his 1971 book “Rules For Radicals” to conceal their radical affiliations to attain greater power. That works well for Marxists.
But Obama’s friends seem to be giving him away. If this sounds extreme, take a look at some of the activities of Obama’s associates:
Wright is an adherent of black liberation theology, an explicitly Marxist interpretation of the Bible whose aim is to stir up class and race hatred to advance communism. Created by a rifle-toting Peruvian priest in the 1960s, it’s now discredited in religious circles.
“Liberation theology isolates a few verses, takes them out of context, and then exaggerates their meaning,” said the Rev. Bob Schenk of the National Clergy Council, on “Hannity’s America” last weekend.
But Wright clings to it. And recently, he loudly praised the Marxist Sandinista dictatorship of Nicaragua.
Not by coincidence, Sandinista leader Daniel Ortega, Nicaragua’s president, endorses Obama. “This is not to say that there is already a revolution under way in the U.S. . . . But yes, (Obama and friends) are laying the foundations for a revolutionary change,” said Ortega.
If that’s not enough, Wright’s also made pilgrimage to Cuban dictator Fidel Castro in Havana in 1984, alongside the Rev. Jesse Jackson. Cuban-American writer Humberto Fontova noted Jackson and his entourage cheered “Viva Fidel” and “Viva Che Guevara” on the $300,000 trip paid for by the Cuban Council of Churches.
Then there’s Obama’s friend ex-Weather Underground terrorist Bill Ayers, another Marxist. Not only did Ayers set off terrorist bombs against “the establishment” with no regrets during the 1960s, he told the New York Times “we didn’t do enough.”
Now it’s come to light that he posed for a photo in Chicago magazine in 2001, stomping on a U.S. flag in an article flogging his terrorist memoir, “Fugitive Days.” At the time Ayers was touting his anti-Americanism, Obama served with him on the Woods Fund board and Ayers made a $200 donation to Obama’s state Senate campaign.
Ayers has since lectured the Marxist dictator of Venezuela, Hugo Chavez, on using public education as an instrument for advancing “revolution.” Meanwhile his stepson, Chesa Boudin, has gone to Caracas as an “adviser” to the anti-American Chavez.
Oh, by coincidence, Chavez and Castro are two of the dictators Obama said he’d like to give face time as president of the U.S.
It gets worse when one looks at Obama’s political organization.
Obama’s own Web site has held at least 15 favorable mentions of Che Guevara, according to a count by blogger Henry Gomez.
When an Obama precinct captain in Houston flew a Cuban flag bearing Guevara’s likeness, Obama said only it “disappointed” him and “does not reflect (his) views.” He never publicly ordered the flag down, nor rejected Guevara’s blood-soaked communism.
Another Obama supporter, acting in Obama’s name, secretly contacted Colombia’s Marxist FARC terror chief Raul Reyes to tell him that Obama would cut off U.S. military aid to Colombia to hinder its war against FARC, as well as deny Colombia free trade, a strategy FARC considers key to overturning Colombia’s democracy.
If Obama repudiated that secret messenger, we didn’t hear it.
Some pundits dismiss Obama’s ties with radicals as an opportunistic association with Chicago political machines to advance his career. But the depth and breadth of the contacts seem deeper.
Obama himself has promised to meet with the hemisphere’s Marxist dictators who have systematically dismantled or are in the process of dismantling democracy all across our hemisphere.
This stinks, frankly. Why does someone who says he represents “change” have so many Jurassic Marxists in his camp calling the shots? He needs to repudiate this crew now.
Wow. STY, you are one tinfoil hat wearing freak. Your post is nothing but lies and innuendo. You actually believe that tripe? You scare me. Wow.
Smarter Thanyou,
You asked:
No. My mind is that small. No, wait, it’s bigger than a breadbox. But still on the small side. Look, of course, I realize that opposition to Obama can be based on something other than his race. People may vote for or against him for any reason they choose. Write in Frank Zappa , whatever. Herr Obama? Now he’s a Nazi? That is one tanned mother fucking German.
The tone of last week (on this site and others) was about the racial undertones coming to the fore, the ugliness McCain has unleashed through his surrogates, and what his name will be associated with. That is what we’ve been discussing. I’m not sure what you’re trying to have a conversation about. What is it you think Barak Obama would be able to do as President that you are so afraid of? And, I mean what exactly do you fear he will do as President? I’m not asking who he was paling around with in Chicago. I don’t care about that right now – tell me what part of his current campaign platform you so strongly disagree with. Or, if you think his entire platform is a lie and he’s just trying to smoke and mirror his way in to the Whitehouse, tell me that. Don’t cut and paste some article. Write it yourself. I’m actually interested in your response. Are you thinking he’ll do away with priviate ownership of property? Raise taxes through the roof? Socialize healthcare? Shut down Wall Street? What?
BJ,
The big cut and paste was rude. It’s not the only article on the issue. That was only to pique your interest. Nevertheless, mildly sorry about pasting it. Especially since from your point of view, Obama’s marxist associations are probably a good thing.
Yeah right, IBD has a reputation for inuendo journalism. DailyKos is more reliable, right?
I commented because you implied that the only reason to not support Obama was racism. Is race the only reason you support him?
I didn’t imply that Obama is a Nazi by using the word Herr. You inferred too much. I don’t think Obama a Nazi. Marxist, yes, Nazi, no.
Yes, I think that Obama has run to the middle for purposes of the election, and that he’ll revert left when he’s in. That he says he won’t raise taxes on 95% of us is a lie. And even if he keeps that promise, who can feel good about Obama sticking it to the other 5%?
Do you remember the exchange in a Man for All Seasons between Thomas More and his daughter’s fiance? The fiance said, I’d cut down every law in England if by doing so I could put the devil away. And More responded, and where would you stand in the winds that would blow then? I’d give the devil his due under law if only to protect myself.
If Obama would stick it to the 5%, why would he refrain from sticking it to you if necessary?
I’m no hypocrite. McCain has run to the middle for the election also. He’ll head left again as soon as the voting booths close. For conservatives, it’s a Hobson’s choice. For the left, how can you go wrong?
I am “afraid” of an Obama presidency for only two reasons, dislike him for many more.
First, Obama is unequivocally, indisputably unqualified to command a military. He doesn’t know what it is for or for what use it should be put. Given Russia’s aggressiveness, given the aggressiveness in the Middle East, an experienced military man is preferable. Why?
Remember what happened under Bill Clinton? Bill went to a golf tournament. It so happened that the military found out where bin Laden was and had a small window of opportunity to get him. Bill wouldn’t take the call to give the “go” on the operation. Imagine, no bin Laden, no 9/11, no Iraq invasion and occupation, no U.S. people lost. Would some other terrorist have picked up the gauntlet and carried out 9/11? No one can say. One thing we can say is that it shouldn’t have been bin Laden behind the atrocity against NYC.
So what would Obama do in a military crisis? Invite irrational, illogical, aggressive dictators to sit down and talk without preconditions.
You’ve been assaulted on the road. Haven’t you learned yet that with some people talking reason won’t end an altercation?
Yes, an Obama commander in chief scares me.
Second, the judiciary. Doesn’t matter where a person comes down on the conservative – liberal issue. I believe Obama’s tendency would be to appoint judges without reservation against defeating the will of the people expressed in legislation. The Ninth Circuit is the prime example. I don’t want to be dis-enfranchised, do you? Even if a majority joined and passed disagreeable legislation, my remedy is to persuade a repeal or amendment, not chase down a judge who’ll thwart the legislation by fiat.
Other issues that are disagreeable include the likelihood of socialized medicine under Obama and a democratically-controlled Congress. I’ve lived under socialized medicine, and prefer what we have now, as broken as it is.
We’re moving toward socialism either way. Obama just puts us there faster than McCain.
So you see, young BJ, resistance to Obama is not a matter of black or white skin, but instead in the marketplace of ideas where Obama is left wanting.
Law school will be good for you probably for only one reason. To score well on the exams you have to spot the issues and argue both sides. You’ll find yourself far more open minded in three years than you are now. Why? Law is nothing more than compromise rules based on competing priorities, and more often that not, good is harmed in some way in each rule.
The sooner you grow up and realize that, the better you’ll do in law school, the better your grades, the better your clerkship, the better your job afterward, the better your income, the better your ability to effect change for the better.
Open your eyes and your mind and think a little deeper than holding an Al Franken, Jack Handy opinion.
SMT