Got this in an email from Alaska of all places…hope this clears things up for you Jonny!
‘. . . I’m a little confused. Let me see if I have this straight…..
If you grow up in Hawaii, raised by your grandparents, you’re ‘exotic, different.’
[If you] grow up in Alaska eating mooseburgers, [you have lived the] quintessential American story.
If your name is Barack your [name is an indication of] a radical, unpatriotic Muslim.
Graduate from Harvard law School and you are unstable.
Attend 5 different small colleges before graduating, you’re well grounded.
If you spend 3 years as a brilliant community organizer, become the first black President of the Harvard Law Review, create a voter registration drive that registers 150,000 new voters, spend 12 years as a Constitutional Law professor, spend 8 years as a State Senator representing a
district with over 750,000 people, become chairman of the state Senate’s Health and Human Services committee, spend 4 years in the United States Senate representing a state of 13 million people while sponsoring 131 bills and serving on the Foreign Affairs, Environment and Public Works and Veteran’s Affairs committees, you don’t have any real leadership experience.If your total resume is: local weather girl, 4 years on the city council and 6 years as the mayor of a town with less than 7,000 people, 20 months as the governor of a state with only 650,000 people, then you’re qualified to become the country’s second highest ranking executive.
If you have been married to the same woman for 19 years while raising 2 beautiful daughters, all within Protestant churches, you’re not a real Christian.
If you cheated on your first wife with a rich heiress, and left your disfigured wife and married the heiress the next month, you’re a Christian.
If you teach responsible, age appropriate sex education, including the proper use of the Lessina birth control pill, you are eroding the fiber of society.
If, while governor, you staunchly advocate abstinence only, with no other option in sex education in your state’s school system while your unwed teen daughter
ends up pregnant, you’re very responsible.If your wife is a Harvard graduate laywer who gave up a position in a prestigious law firm to work for the betterment of her inner city community, then gave that up to raise a family, your family’s values don’t represent America’s.
If you’re husband is nicknamed ‘First Dude’, with at least one DWI conviction and no college education, once was a member of a group that advocated the secession of Alaska from the USA, your family is admirable.
OK, much clearer now. . .’
Not to be a bitch or anything, but this was posted earlier in a reply about Palin. I really agree with everything here, but don’t you guys read your own shit?
durka?
If you hang out with people who kill cops… I don’t want you as president. And by hang out I mean, go to their house with your family for an event in your honor and work together for years.
If you support the senseless death of our service members in Iraq…I don’t want you for a Commander in Chief. And by support, I mean sending 18-20 year old kids to work as a police force in a country that doesn’t want us there only to be attacked by roadside bombs, snipers and ambushes by an enemy that can’t be identified by there uniforms. KG, I don’t think you’ve been paying attention.
nice work LD. i’m pick’n up what you’re puttn’ down.
The “cop killer connection” is getting old. Definitely worth noting, which has been done, but a bit hackneyed at this point.
No doubt the above is classic political spin, but there is truth there as well if you can filter out the weighted coloring.
Is Palin any better?
KG,
Again, NO COPS DIED AS A RESULT OF THE WEATHER UNDERGROUND BOMBS. Get your motherfucking facts straight. The only people that died were Weather Underground members, in their own townhouse, when their own bomb went off. Bill Ayers never killed anyone.
Your arguments are far weaker because you refuse to accept simple facts. I hope you teach your students better than this.
el jefe? really?
So if I provide evidence of cops killed… will you change your mind?
Are their bodies in your freezer?
http://www.sfpoa.org/journal/journals/20070201.pdf
http://www.canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/4095
The idea that no one got killed by themselves comes from the former Weathermen. So if the former Weathermen said they killed no one, then I guess you have to believe them. But if an FBI mole say that they admitted killing the cop, then he must be lying.
Who’s word do you take, the FBI, the the people who knowingly made and planted bombs, but just not that one.
Like the FBI who helped the CIA come up with proof of WMDs? Oh yeah. I TOTALLY believe them.
Gee KG, you are so right.. our government or the FBI has never lied about anything to promote their own agenda…..
one word for you bro…Hoover
Canada Free Press is a right wing propaganda site, and shouldn’t be trusted any more than Faux News. The other link gives no information on who was responsible. FactCheck.org states that the only people who died in any Weather Underground bombings were three of their own members. Was Ayers a saint? Of course not. He did some nefarious things, which I can’t support. But, your guilt by association for Obama is a stretch at best. How old was Obama when any of that happened? I think it was about 8.
At the very best, Ayers and Dohrn merely tried to kill cops, that’s the very best. The planted bombs at police stations, the pentagon, at the homes of Justices and were building bombs to plant at an NCO dance. The VERY best you can say is they only ATTEMPTED to kill cops and other people.
That’s IF you believe the testimony of an FBI agent (a cop), under oath, over a group that admittedly planted bombs all over the place.
Now some you are obviously not very fond of the FBI (cops) so maybe you don’t see it as a big deal that they ONLY tried to kill cops.
And it happened when he was 8.
So would you associate, (work with, let them throw a fundraiser for you) with someone who ONLY tried to kill cops?
The other problem with the cop killer or wannbe cop killer link – it is only a link.
Think of all of the people you have associated with, were they all saints? Maybe some were real bad people. Does that connection mean you support(ed) their deviance? If you associate with bad people does that mean you are bad? In some ways, association with a vaireiety of good and bad people may actually be a good thing, teaches one about many different facets of life.
Obama wasn’t sitting there making the bombs. Not giving pointers on them. Not providing money. Not really supporting much at all right? So I am not too concerned about the apparent connection. Like I said, worth noting, but the hype is political overkill.
Again, I ask, would you let someone like Ayers and Dohrn throw you a fundraiser? Would you take your family to their house, knowing that at the very least, he attempted to kill cops and others.
Would you?
This “not a saint” comment is kind of gross. When kids experiment with drugs in high school and get in trouble maybe the term “not a saint” comes into play, but when you’re taking about placing bombs, the term “not a saint” doesn’t even come close.
“Guilty as hell, free as a bird.” Bill Ayers.
OK – whatever. for fuck’s sake. Both sides are right; please stop this inane tripe. it’s exhausting and totally irrelevant. How bout them Eagles, BJ?
I’m still looking for someone to answer the basic question, would YOU go do Ayers and Dohrn’s house for a party in your honor?
If it’s irrelevant, then give me your irrelevant answer.
KG,
Look, I’m not convincing you. You’re not going to convince me. Period. How many times have we had this argument? Neither one of us will have to make the choice of having to attend an Ayers sponsored fundraiser for us. Just ain’t gonna’ happen. It’s a silly question. I’m sick of arguing with you. You’re a conservative fucktard, and I’m a liberal commie asshole. We each think the other’s views will bring down western civilization. Hold on to your scurrilous argument. You can go hang out with Hannity and Limbaugh. I hope it works out for you. Good-bye.
Sounds like you folks watch too much TV.
The cops work for the banks.Period.
The banks think you are their serfs.Period.
If you believe the public discourse they might be right.Period.
If you’re killin’ cops I will pitch in for bullets.
If you are killing bankers,politicos and their ilk I will aid you with my life,my fortune and my sacred honor.
If you are playing the Market you are a fool,a parasite or both.
If you were born inna trailer park you prolly ride a fixie…
If you are reading this post you ain’t ridin’ your fixie.
I gotta go,the desert calls…
Are we saying that Obama is linked to Ice T?
“If you were born inna trailer park you prolly ride a fixie…”
This might be the greatest line in the history of DC.
word
So if Ayers is such a crimenal why is he still on the streets? Seems to me you would want to arrest and try such a man then put him awayfor a long time. But maybe you would need real evidenceto all of that, better we just keep yelling “cop killer” at him untill it does become true.
See…and I was thinking this one was pretty high up there! LOL.
“You’re a conservative fucktard, and I’m a liberal commie asshole. We each think the other’s views will bring down western civilization. “
jeeze, what a bunch of old cranks. (please be diverse, and insert your own crank joke)
Aristotelian logic and socratic method and not bizzare thumpa thumpa bands from the 80’s.
up the discourse..
Nyaah!Nyaah!Nyaah!is not a high level of intelectual engagement.
maybe a political bitchin thread req’d to be in verse?
you could tell whom, up where, to shove it,
sans offence, if formed in a perfect couplet.
I knew there was a reason I don’t read the comments anymore. Thanks for the reminder, KG.
ps. get to work on that mid renge jumper. you ain’t gettin any younger.
for the first time in a long time I feel like i took the short bus here.
how does cop killing play in this post again?
There’s only one choice for president here. Go ahead and vote for the the old prick and the cunt. The people that don’t want the same shit happening for the next 4 years know whats right. Whats right will work, not worried about defending this here, its just the truth. And I don’t come back to check replies, my point is made and real people agree. Fuck you to everyone else.
“Graduate from Harvard law School and you are unstable.”
Actually, this is like saying that on a clear day, the sky appears blue.
“If you spend 3 years as a brilliant community
organizer…”
Stop. If you would like the entire U.S. to look the way the South Side of Chicago does today, vote for your ‘brilliant community organizer’.
As for the rest of this tripe… I guess there’s points here and there, but it totally leaves out that Obama has received more contributions from Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac than any candidate in history, not to mention one of his chief economic advisers was a former CEO of Fannie! Change, you say? Your funeral.
This is not to say that the other side is a clear alternative. I think we’re seriously screwed come November, either way. Wait… actually, we’re screwed already…
Wow, the number of sock puppets here is EXTRA-ORDINARY!
Yup, failing economy and you idiots are more concerned about who’s affiliated with who. “Obama knows this cop killer, so he’ll probably kill cops and be a communist once he gets elected.” Is that what you’re saying? Who cares if Mccain helps out the big corporations that are outsourcing American jobs to different countries.
I guess real people don’t pick up a book to learn what Terms like Socialism and Marxism actually mean and how they compare and contrast in our social and geopolitical system. Real people don’t even know the definition of Republican and Democrat or Conservative and Liberal are anymore for gosh sakes. Just dogmatic labels based on some black and white definitions based on what they do or don’t have in their personal lives..
Real people are not educated and care not about the world outside their own imaginary boarders.
After all Real People believed McCarthyism. It sounds like they still do in theory. If not the ideology itself, the reasoning process of such an argument anyway…
I do not identify with Palin because of what she believes and how she has demonstrated to us her reasoning process; her decision process and her record using Religon as a basis for that reasoning. I don’t care about her personal life.
I want one real person to tell me what they identify with in McCain and Palin not what they don’t identify in some broad and dogmatic definition a democratic party. All I hear every time I hear a “real” slam a Democrat is a definition of what THEY (the person) are not…. Not what their party is and how it compares and contrasts with a Democrat…
The lead post here is brilliant and worth a repost. It is not political spin. It is simply and example of how flawed our logic is. Flawed because all we real people do anymore is put a label on things we don’t understand and the things we don’t understand we fear. How does one come to believe that a man who put himself through College studying the fundamental laws that govern our constitution grew up with a silver spoon in his mouth? How doe one believe that another Man is a man of the common man but was born into the elite officer core of the military and has spent a life in politics funded by Big Big business?
I respect what “real people” support whatever it is but stop telling us what you are NOT and start telling us what you are. To do so you have to know what you are and I guess real people just don’t anymore…
And Canis if you are going to cut and past and use a referance to Hitler please be prepared to support whatever the fuck it is you are saying.
OK now Obama is Hitler. I rest my case
This discussion seems to have imploded upon itself.
First of all, it seems that ‘the people’ vs. ‘the real people’ have abandoned thinking for themselves for let ‘the party’ think for them. if the ‘real people’ thought for themselves, then the two major parties could be more reflective of ‘the people’. If you want to examine the records of both democrats and republicans – the bigger picture would show that both are merely different shades of one ideology and that the ‘American interest’ strives for one thing: Big Business. All the rest of the ‘serfs’ matter very little in the debate about law and policy – indeed if you are one of the disenfranchised poor, then you are not only serf, you are also cannon fodder for the wars financed by big business in their pursuit of more ownership and wealth. The bottom line for both parties is big business.
Hitler has been mentioned. I invoke Goodwin’s Law. Discussion is over. The person who mentioned Hitler loses. Move along…
Dear Hitler,
Hitler Hitler and Hitler would like to announce that Hitler has been promoted to Full Partner, and Hitler is very Hitler about it.
By Hitler and Hitler in the same sence, of Hitler *for* Hitler.
Hitler has a great deal on Hitler, and it’s aesthetically pleaseing in a Hitler sort of way.
Thrown against a Hitler backdrop, Hitler makes a Hitler kind of sense, if you are in to that kind of Hitler I suppose.
It’s a very Hitler price to pay for a high-end Hitler attatchment, but only the Hitler-weanies care.
The average Hitler isn’t very Hitler about the kind of Hitler that goes into a Hitler. but that’s only a Hitler opinion.
I mean really, can Hitler say that out of the Hitler context?
It’s about the Hitler facts for team Hitler on the Hitler ride over mount Hitler, to score a full Hitler.
Thus, it’s possible to imagine a Hitler Hitler -ing to a perfect Hitler, like a metaphore.
Best Regards,
Hitler.
Exotic and different is a compliment.
“Mooseburgers” ok so you hate rural Americans, got that.
Only the person talking about Obama’s name is Obama. Not surpising considering his only real accomplishments seem to be his two autobiographies. Can you say narcissism?
Who said Obama’s unstable because he graduated from Harvard? Who said he’s unstable at all.
So Gov. Palin went to a 5 schools, she got good grades at all of them. We all can’t go to Harvard (frankly I’m kinda sick and tired of these Ivy league types screwing up the world, time to give some regular Sarahs a chance behind the desk).
I’m pretty tired of this rhetorical trick of putting words in your opponents mouth and then pretending to argue with yourself. Its tired. Just because we say the Palin family has great values, does not mean the Obama family has none. You sound like a bunch of bitches, and I’m pretty sure Mrs. Palin would agree with me.
PS
When the “first dude” was dui, Obama was doing lines of coke. Bias exposed.
I’m pretty tired of this rhetorical trick of putting words in your opponents mouth
Is that anything like Karl Rove?
Please lets not forget who we are really voting for. Our choice is really important. We can vote for a person who has touted his experience and yet by all accounts “chose” a person he had met one time. This is careless at the least and dangerous at the most. We can choose on the other hand a person who has shown his ability to deal with common people at their most confused and debilitated. Does this sound like most of us lately with the economy wrecked. I am choosing to vote against fear this election–I want a person who lives in the real world for President not one that lives in an economy of a small country. Palin is not who we are voting for. Research the Keating Five and John McCains ethics-he re invented himself for political purposes but still carries the same stripes. Do your homework this time ,vote for reality not just more bluster and false words.
Cuttin’ and pastin’ this one…just for the sake of discussion…
: Chicago Statistics
Body count. In the last six months 292 killed (murdered) in Chicago, 221 killed in Iraq.
Sens. Barack Obama & Dick Durbin, Rep. Jesse Jackson Jr., Gov. Rod Blogojevich, House leader Mike Madigan, Atty. Gen. Lisa Madigan, Mayor Richard Daley…..our leadership in Illinois…..all Democrats.
Thank you for the combat zone in Chicago. Of course they’re all blaming each other. Can’t blame Republicans, they’re aren’t any!
State pension fund $44 Billion in debt, worst in country.
Cook County (Chicago) sales tax 10.25% highest in country.
Chicago school system one of the worst in country.
(Look’em up if you want).
This is the political culture that Obama comes from in Illinois. He’s gonna ‘fix’ Washington politics?
confusion is the most appropriate label for your post. if you are an educated man, you’ll then surely know of the ‘units-of-analysis’ or ‘external validation’ phenomenon. If your education level reflects the extent of your posts, then allow me the following example, perhaps more at your ‘speed’. Comparing Apples and Oranges is a no-no! Again, comparing Apples and Oranges is a no-no! Get it? Obviously I could go on explaining the merits of this post-response, but I won’t waste my time and your precious remaining brain cells. Suffice to say, I thought I was done with you (I mean it) but the ignorance of your previous post brought me out of retirement, herr sommerspew-ballyhoo of no-clue… please, go away. go fuck your 27.2 seat post tube! oh, wait, it’s probably wider since you invariably ride aluminum…
sommerfliesby,
The total # of murders you are quoting in Chicago is being compared to the total number of deaths of U.S. service members in Iraq over a similar period, not the number of murders in Iraq, moron.
The rate of murder in Chicago is high, but not nearly as high as among military personal in the war zones, and the military people suffer a much much attempted murder daily, but are protected by their own counter insurgent action and armor.
Get a fucking education, stop jerking off to pictures of John McCain and actually give reading comprehension a try. The only person in this race how has likely killed innocent people as a direct result of decisions he made is John McCain by participating in naplam bombing in ‘Nam.
I know that gov/military and three letter agencies don’t let people who have been compromised in POW camps anywhere near command positions. Why are the Republicommies so anxious to get one in office now? Manchurian John McCain? I bet you can’t wait to have him export the rest of the nations wealth to China, can you traitor?
Come to think of it, I think I’d like to see you experience the difference first hand. Maybe a trip down to the old recruiter will get you sent right there. Oh, thats right, you Republacommies are too busy stealing money from the treasury and only use war comparisons to try to further that goal .When its time to actually put up, you’re all a bunch of chickenshit.
Rock on REPUBODENT – nice way to build on the previous post. Good to see some integrated postings here. It does take a bit of thought. The sommer-dude is obviously confused. And, i’m sure he rides an ALU bike. Probably a trek. He’s gay too.
Damn…I think I hit a nerve with that one! Just let’s me know it was on target. And actually, I the only aluminum bike I’ve got is a full-sus. I mostly ride 853. And singlespeed. Plus, like I said, I didn’t write that, just copied it from an email and pasted it…you know…to get HostileLocal’s blood pressure up. Enjoying that Democratic reach-around yet, buddy-boy?
I know, I know…it’s now apples to apples…but it sure is FUNNY!
Biden garbles Depression history
Joe Biden’s denunciation of his own campaign’s ad to Katie Couric got so much attention last night that another odd note in the interview slipped by.
He was speaking about the role of the White House in a financial crisis.
“When the stock market crashed, Franklin Roosevelt got on the television and didn’t just talk about the princes of greed,” Biden told Couric. “He said, ‘Look, here’s what happened.'”
As Reason’s Jesse Walker footnotes it: “And if you owned an experimental TV set in 1929, you would have seen him. And you would have said to yourself, ‘Who is that guy? What happened to President Hoover?'”
sommerfly – you copy and post crap just to get someone’s heart rate up? and you do so at 3:09 in the fuckin morning?! get a life, dude. you’re pathetic. and word out to the Hostile – keep up the good fight my brutha!
Bernackie, is that you parading as my sommerlover?
Naw, I don’t provide the reach around, just the ass reaming (you know, that ripping feeling coming in three, two , one…
Once again, sommerlover, aligning yourself with a moron via your spastic use of copy paste with no brain engagement, you manage to reveal that you are incapable of reading or remembering 6th grade history.
You and your republicommie friends would do well to put down the bible and that twelve year old boy’s dick and pick up a textbook now and again. Here’s a refresher:
1) The Earth is round
2) The second largest stock crash in history occurred in 1937-1938, at the end of FDR’s first term.
3) FDR is famous for being the first president to appear on TV, albeit in 1939
4.) The only people who are fooled by the standard republicommie “I’m straight Not Gay!” line is all the other republiccommie homophobes
5) Biden’s gaffe is that he said TV instead of radio.
6) FDR was also famous for his regular national radio addresses dubbed “fireside chat”.
How’s that tearing? Might need a few stitches there. Looks like you never had anything large, only tiny Cheney, Dick up there before huh?
And that nice feeling in front? That is Sarah Palin licking your twat while squirting George Bushe’s semen into your infected uterus so you two can produce a child republacommie army of morons to steal this nations wealth and give it to the ChiCom. Assholes.
Now run along and clean yourself up, whore.
Ouch! Sad but true.
3:09 YOUR time, dude. I’m start work at 6 am Central, so not like I’m some late-night whackjob just looking to piss someone off. I’m a punch-the-clock every day and earn money for the gov’t to spend whackjob…and yeah…if it pisses you off, all the better.
Thanks for that graphic description repub…really speaks to your character. Glad I don’t know you. And as for the gaffe…not only was it funny because of the TV/radio thing, but because HOOVER was the pres in ’29. But you didn’t read that…oh great professor of history?
Seriously…calling me gay or a pedophile…does that really advance your arguement against John McCain or Sarah Palin?
Oh..and I can’t forget to address the “ChiCom” thing…WHO was it again that gave China “Most Favored Nation” status AND sold little technological tidbits to them? I forget. My history must not be too good. Oh yeah…the same guy that took $50,000 from a Chinese national to sleep in the Lincoln bedroom.
Have a NICE day.