You Keep it Classy Ben Berden

There is a certain time when certain people need to be called out, and in this case, it’s a doped-up lying asshole cheat named Ben Berden. You know, the class act cyclocross racer who got banned from racing in Belgium for EPO. He later told dopers to “keep lying.” - nice. Powers apparently thinks he’s a nice guy too. Hmmmm:

“Then take Ben Berden. He did a bunch of drugs and got popped, but it turns out he’s the nicest guy. He comes over here (to the U.S.) to race and he’s extremely nice, outgoing, and he tells it like it is. He says there were a ton of drugs going around back then. He got caught up in it and he’s paid his price. He can’t even get a contract in Belgium anymore because of all the bad press. But he’s been super nice and helpful. For me that’s the biggest thing, how they hold themselves after that.” - VeloSnooze

Well he’s at it again being all nice and classy, recently taking to his Twitter account to call out one of our own, Charles Scott McDonald. 

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You remember Charles? We all pitched in a while back to help him get a prosthetic arm. He’s a badass rider and a great dude, we ate plenty of beers and shared stories earlier this year at cross nationals.

The Story:

Charles was doing some good ol’ heckling at Cincy3 when Ben got all butt-hurt because he can’t deal with the truth. Caveman put it best when saying, “If you don’t like being heckled, don’t race cross.” So after being called a “doper” (which is 100% true), he told Charles, “say it to my face.” So Charles chased him around the couse and said it to his face, simply doing what the man requested. Well then things got out of hand when Berden took a swing at Charles when he rode by the pits. Seems as though it’s not the first time he’s dealt a low blow..

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So after the race he rode up to Charles once again and asked if he had lost his arm from masturbating. Real classy. Your team must be proud of you. Charles replied saying he’d lost it shooting dopes like him. He rode away.

Ten minutes later he rode up to Charles yet another time to inform him he would have kicked his ass had he had both arms. Charles, unwavered, told him to bring it. Ben didn’t. Then Charles told him he couldn’t kick his ass if he had zero arms. Kapooyah.

You see, here at DC we’re one big happy family when it comes down to it, and when someone takes a shot at one of the family, that shit just doesn’t fly.

So here’s what you do: While sipping on your beverage of choice tonight, let Mr. Berden know what you think about the way he’s been carrying himself lately. Perhaps shoot him a tweet, or post on his “supporters page”, or let his team know he’s been a shithead lately. Better yet, go heckle him in Iowa next week.

Thanks for your help, cycling doesn’t have room for arrogant pricks like this.

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95 thoughts on “You Keep it Classy Ben Berden

  1. Charles is a dick. He went too far this weekend just like the announcers called him out on Sunday. Charles has worn out his welcome around the local cycling race scene and in the local bike shops.

  2. how about a name? I got to two local shops and still do. I have only shopped at two shops and I have a key to one of them. Nice one.

  3. If you are gonna heckle to that point, it should be acceptable to beat someone down, even if it’s the truth. Props to Charles for giving Ben permission to do so, just a shame people can’t slug it out and get things settled.

  4. Trust me I’m no fan of dopers but Berden seems like a nice enough guy who made a mistake quite a few years ago and is trying to move on, why the anger? Who hasn’t screwed up royally at least once in life, I know I have, but to have some dick screaming in your ear every seven minutes a reminder of a shitty time in your life would get a little old. Seriously Jonny, for a guy with a blog called “Drunkcyclist” you’re a judgmental fucker.

  5. Oh man. I’ve been waiting for a post like this for a while. Thanks, Cupcake! Pouring myself a glass of whiskey now.

  6. Yeah, Charles sounds like an angry little feller… The story gave me a better impression of Bearden now. Charles was out of line, not in charge…

  7. If you don’t like being called a “doper”, then stay off the PEDs! And even if you made a mistake, like Ben did, you get to pay the price…which will include people calling you out even years later. But maybe Charles took it a bit too far by running around the course and continuing to stick it to him…BUT to ask a disabled vet if he lost his arm while masturbating, that’s a new level of low. That calls for someone to dig up the Raleigh team’s contact info and write some (nicely worded) e-mails to show the team that maybe Ben’s actions weren’t in the best interest of his sponsors!

  8. Props to Berden. Guys like Charles need to get away from the sport and stay out. Some “fans” step out of line and bitch when someone gets angry. You guys hate on pros all the time, why are you hating on someone for acting unprofessional? You guys represent what we need to get rid of in cycling. Haters with no faith in people.

  9. Any prior history between these two isn’t mentioned, but anyone who follows you around giving you shit like that is asking for it. Put yourself in Ben’s position for a moment, and we’ll give him the benefit of the doubt here, would you be pissed as hell at Charles running around fucking with your race day like that?

    As for asking “a disabled vet if he lost his arm while masturbating, that’s a new level of low,” it’s not even clear if Ben knew he was a vet. But also, does serving give you a free pass to be a douche? I say no. Granted, I’m an ass to people all the time, but that doesn’t mean the internet should defend me, I’d defend myself.

    Finally, is it now Corporate DC policy to rant about dopers? What the fuck happened to being all about getting dirty, drunk, visiting bars, posting pictures of hot ass women with bikes, and being a bunch of good old boys on bikes having a damn fuckload of fun? It’s really time to check things before the content here hits a nose dive it can’t pull out of.

  10. “Thanks for your help, cycling doesn’t have room for arrogant pricks like this.”

    You talking about Charles right?

  11. If there’s one thing I have no respect for it’s heckling… People go to CX to have a good time. Have some respect for the athletes. It’s always easy judging someone when you’re in a crowd… Bad post DrunkCyclist. I think you were a little too drunk when you wrote this one… Greetings from Belgium.

  12. This is a completely stupid article. Charles is an idiot for stooping that low.

  13. I’ve hung out with Charles on several occasions over the past couple years at the OVCX races. If anyone has anything negative to say about him, its because they don’t KNOW him. He’s a great guy. He doesn’t gripe or get moody about his missing arm. He discusses it and takes the experience with a positive spin. Jon, whoever you are, you are clueless and clearly have never met him. If you are local to the OVCX race series, come up to me and introduce yourself so you are no longer some anonymous internet douche-nozzle.
    Heckle away at Cross races Charles! There’s no difference between this incident and how many folks were ripping into Dopestrong during his last couple TdF’s.
    I think Ben was butt hurt because he was taking shit from a guy with one arm that COULD kick his ass.
    DW

  14. I would’ve spent about 45 minutes heckling Berden about how gorgeous his girlfriend is and how no one can understand what he’s saying. Objectively speaking, heckling about doping is the most boring, easiest thing to heckle, requiring no thought or creativity. He gets heckled about that shit all the time, and yet, no one takes the time to notice that he’s got a smokin’ hot pro wife. There’s heckling material for days, right there.

  15. “If anyone has anything negative to say about him, its because they don’t KNOW him.”

    So basically he’s a dick if you don’t know him, but once you get to know him you just sort of accept that he’s a dick and move on?

  16. Wow, you all sound like a bunch of sissy ass pussies whining about heckling and shit. I think all that lycra is shrinking your raisins.

  17. Is Charles a disabled vet or a civilian riding for paralyzed vets? If you read his CX magazine interviews it is a little vague but it sounds like he is a civilian.

  18. Wait…let me get this straight….Charles heckled Ben(who got his feelings hurt); Ben heckles Charles and now DL(and a bunch of the internet) is all butt hurt? It seems to me that if you heckle someone, you better be ready for them to fire back at you. Granted, asking some dude if he lost is arm while wacking off is mean(but also pretty awesome)….heckling could also be construed as mean. Heckling is a game of oneupsmanship….if you are surprised(and now sad) that someone comes back with something that offends you….well maybe get the sand out of your vagina and look for a different past time

  19. @cxisfun; I wish I knew who you were so I could heckle the shit out of you.
    @PatMccock, he lost his arm in Afghanistan while serving our country.

  20. @DeeDub Are you sure? The CX mag article says he lost it in 1998. We weren’t in Afghanistan in ’98.

  21. Yeah he doped. He served his time. Whatya want, two pounds of flesh ?
    What the purpose of yelling at him, being a dick, and distracting from an otherwise well done race ?
    Charles was being a boorish ass, the fact that he has one arm is meaningless to the situation.

  22. This is rediculious. Not only is Charles an asshole but all of the DC crew has become pure shit. You guys used to be funny. Now you hate everyone in cycling that isn’t like you. Get the fuck out of our sport you assholes.

  23. everybody here needs to lighten up.
    A fan heckles a PRO to the point that he acts unprofessional and now everybody has hurt feelings and is taking sides. This is some silly high school nonsense. Y’all should be a little embarrassed.
    @CXcross – I don’t know about pure shit. Who else calls bullshit like these clowns?

  24. Charles did not lose his arm in a combat role. The fact that he has one arm and the circumstances surrounding it are meaningless to this conversation with exception that Berden heckled him about it. The reality is that both parties were in the wrong here. For starters, Charles was way out of line Heckling Berden in such a hateful manner. I’m all for good natured heckling in CX, but this was out of line and disrespectful. Berden was well within his right to seek out Charles and confront him for this and give him at the very least a few choice words. He only stepped out of line when making fun of him for having one arm. That said, when someone throws such vile rhetoric at you, as Charles did, that cuts deep. You can’t blame the guy too much for giving it back to Charles. The whole pros should be used to heckling argument is bullshit when the heckles are intentionally hateful. I personally like Charles and continue to support Berden. However, I think Charles was out of line here and Berden let his emotional reaction get the best of him. More importantly, I think we need to stop throwing insults and realize that our words and actions can have far reaching implications. OVCX and Cincy3 is a phenomenal scene that can be ruined if we don’t respect all of our athletes for their training, talent, and dedication. Let’s keep it that way for the sake of OVCX and CX across the country.

  25. As a cyclocross community, we need to differentiate between funny and hatred. I raced Saturday night with Ben, It wasn’t funny. No one should speak to another human or treat anyone like that. Period.

    Georgia Gould wrote the book on ‘heckling’

    “Get to the pit! Your bike needs a rider change!”
    “You’re losing!”
    “What’s the equal payout for 23rd?”
    “Editing my dissertation was more exciting than watching you race!”
    “Can you get Katie Compton’s autograph for me when she laps you?”

    Theres a big difference between that and “F*uck you euro doper trash”

    repeated 30 times throughout the race in different variations.

    http://georgiagould.com/blog/2011/12/the-birth-of-heckleme-the-louisville-usgp-race-report/

    The VeloNews article you mention up top needs more context. I say what I said about Ben against a guy like Phil or Ivan Basso, (I didn’t defend anyone for having used drugs!) However my impression is that Berden owned what he did and served his suspension, came back and has contributed to the sport in a positive way since that time. He hasn’t offered a half confession. He was honest about what happened, served a suspension and is back at it.

    In full: http://velonews.competitor.com/2012/04/news/perceptions-of-a-doper-part-i_213374

    The piece on CN: ‘keep lying’ is ?…sarcastic. Berden was outcast (as I mention in my VN piece) for telling the truth in a sport that was riddled with omertà and death threats for being real about what was actually happening, hence, the keep lying because it’s brutal to actually be honest (at that time especially)

    I’m NOT defending any of BB actions two days ago or 7 years ago and I’m sure Charles is a good person as well I’m not here passing judgement on him. The he said this, he said that. I don’t know – I wasn’t there. People make mistakes and say things they regret esp. in the heat of the moment. I only can speak for the heckling which I thought crossed the line and I’ll admit, took away from my race because of how intense it was and broke my concentration.

    The reason I write is because I think it’s important to realize that throwing beer on a racer, spitting on a racer, shouting and swearing at racers in any category isn’t cool – funny or heckling. As a group of cyclocrossers, we’re better than this and I hope this conversation provokes thought. Thank you for posting this up and making it a conversation because it is important. Have fun and be safe out there everyone.

    Jeremy Powers

  26. I remember when everyone at DC liked Turtles http://youtu.be/CMNry4PE93Y and by Turtles I mean boobs. Now they all they do is hate everyone that cheats. There is no room for them or their “opinions” on the internet anymore. If my god damn Mom would just change her homepage from this shit website I wouldn’t have to read everything on it and get all irate.

  27. Sounds to me like no harm was done. If Charles was going to dig deep with his insults/heckling, why shouldn’t Berden be able to respond with, what sounded to me like some good ol’ fashioned Euro humor? Seriously, “lost your arm jacking off”, that’s some pretty clever shit to think of while racing your heart out with the best in the country. Charles could’ve laughed it off instead of continuing deeper into his bag of dicks.

  28. Props to Charles for being a straight up badass in all the right ways. You rock man! If your ever up near Chicago give me a shout, your welcome around my shop any day. To Ben, Man up. If you have to cheat to win, then take the shit for it. Get over it “Doprah” (Yes, that name will apply) If you tell someone to say it to your face, resulting in them doing it more, then take it. Get over it. I’d be happy to call you a doper to your face too. Moron.

  29. Ben Berden is the man. He made his mistakes and is now pushing on. He should have beat that Charles guys ass….one hand or not! And then made his way to you next. Your little blog puts out some really stupid shit. ‘Yeah, everybody…let’s get drunk and go ride a bike!’
    Tell your boy Charles that if he acts like an ass, then he shouldn’t be upset when people treat him like an ass. Because that’s exactly what he is…..a one handed asshole.

  30. I’ve seen people get mad this year about heckling- completely loose their shit. Its a bummer to see and maybe the times have shifted. If people are gonna hate on the heckler and drunk beer drinking fan, then the sport is gonna clean up and less people are going to be on the sidelines.

  31. That’s why Jeremy is the boss and my favorite person to interview at the races. Couldn’t have put it better. Heckling is fun and (when done right) funny as hell. Like Powers said: Georgia-style Heckling is the highest form of fandom.

    Personal favorite heckles:
    “Its the skinny pedal.” (Blake Harlan tribute)
    “Put it in the Dog!”
    “Do a wheelie!”
    “You’re doing it wrong.”
    “TreBONER!!!!” (that one only really works for Ryan)
    “TreBOOHOO!” (again, just for the tall guy)
    “Harry Dunn! Your hands are freezing!” (JHK heckle)

    Just get creative and keep it fun. The most respected names in cycling are all for heckling when its done right. I’ve been heckled by good friends and total strangers and I always get a kick out of it. When I got dead last in a Swiss Cup, the only thing that kept it fun was the spectator crowd making fun of my 29er, my shitty descending and how many times Nino lapped me. Keep on heckling, people. Its what makes our sport fun. Just don’t hate.

  32. Ben is a class act. Charles needs to stop using his handicap as an excuse for anything. If you talk shit expect there to be something in return. If you think the sport is 100% clean I think it’s reasonable to believe that you still believe in Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny.
    Is Ben clean now? I’m going to say yes. If it’s suspected that he isn’t then have him tested.
    As for Charles’ behavior, no I wasn’t there and didn’t witness it. From the accounts I’ve heard he crossed a line. At that point it’s game on. I’m sure Ben would be happy to throw down with Charles if he didn’t need to fear Chuckie suing him for it. It sounds as if Charly has some pent up frustration. Maybe he should race and get it out. …and in the future he should heckle for fun or shut the fuck up.
    As for DC backing up his abusive heckling and shitty attitude. Fuck you DC. You just lost a reader.

  33. My only experience with Charles has been as a spectator watching a race near his tent. This guy screamed at me to “fucking leave” his tent area, as well as calling me a fucking bitch and a slew of other ragey insults, all because he was butthurt over a comment I made about how he shipped his bike back from Vegas. He is unhinged, unprofessional, and seriously scary pyscho who apparently gets his rocks off by screaming at women and apparently also making Cincinnati look bad. One arm or not, you can’t go around having psychotic breaks and freaking out on people bc you are a miserable human being. Charles, get your shit together and start acting like a man.

  34. Wow, interesting thread. Why are so many people willing to give a doper and a cheater a pass? “He made mistakes, but is a good guy.” BFD, if you dope and cheat you should be out of the sport for life. I don’;t care what a nice guy he is, if someone dopes they should be banned for life.

  35. John jimmithin Gilligan Mc.arneld dickensin Farley Paul "The Dutch space bar clan" Fairfield Plymouth Glaw Reese XVII on said:

    As a sport we need to do something about this if we expect to go so far as even decided want to do go look more like we won’t ever go so far as I said before. No one looks at this model and says “yeah I need to buy myself multiple of those.” Why do we keep subjecting ourselves to this? Why did SRAM recall their hydro 22? These are things that I will have to snort some major thyme to get at. I suppose that’s why they call me “the goat of hair” am I correct? Please just become aware that I am an hero of this tale.

  36. oh, yeah. one more thing – i bet anyone a six pack of choice ( i WILL mail that shit to you) that that last comment from john mcgillicuty varnese plymouth reese the 93rd was really in fact snakehawk in disguise.

    jus’ judging by the utilizings of the slang-nacular. verne.

  37. In the few cx races i’ve done i can’t even pay attention to what people are yelling at me because i’m usually working kinda hard and trying to do well.

    you could tell me my house was burning down and it would just be background gibberish!

  38. “People like to bring up your past when your present and future look better than theirs”. – unknown

  39. Sure is a lot of hate here on this subject. May I suggest we all have a drink or a drag and go back to the hot POV clip of “Girl Riding Bike Downhill over and over” yea.

  40. Funny shit. I call puss on both of them. They seem like typical cry baby racer types. Sounds like the time for a ho-down is way past do and neither one has the stones to pull the trigger.

    And that take down was fun to watch.

  41. I miss the old angry days when most rants were about real world shit,not race boys getting butt hurt. bring back the PORN

  42. WTF? Don’t know any of the players in this little shit-storm. All I know is that Powers seems like the one with a level head. Even if he does ride for Rapha… ;-)

    Oh, and Olivia Wilde’s boobies… They ARE wonderful.

  43. Here ‘s some real facts guys about this unguided ‘Charles Story”!
    Ben is a great guy and yes, he paid his fine a long time ago, in fact all ready a couple years ago. That ‘s a done deal, period.
    He could build himself a nice home with the price he had to pay back then and besides of the fact that he lost a couple fans at that time he also lost two years of professional CX experience.
    But hey, if you can ‘t stand the heat….
    What do you expect from top athletes these days, do you really think that EPO ‘s only used in CX races or road races? It ‘s not about EPO anymore, it ‘s about the magical power of hard earned sponsor money and with every breath you take there will be another drug in every sport discipline to push the top 5 even further than you can ever imagine! That ‘s the deal, that ‘s what happens every day worldwide, being- and staying the number one, two or three is not easy, simple!
    Time to watch more TV on sundays and look at some tennis players, Formula 1 drivers, don ‘t forget to look at some top soccer players and don ‘t miss the huge basketball industry, they damn sure run a lot faster than the average 100M sprinters that I used to know 5 years ago. #justsaying. I can remember those Formula 1 drivers stepping out of they ‘r cars after an intense race and doing an interview and not even gasping for one breath, not being exhausted when they took they ‘r helmet off, same thing with a lot of athletes right after they reached the finish line. (Football players as an example, Tour Des France, regular road races, motorcross racers,…). Look at Ben when a real journalist asks him a question 1 minute after he crossed the finish line. He ‘s exhausted, his light ‘s out, down on the ground, on his knees trying to breath because he went to his limit and believe me, that ‘s the number one signal if you ride ‘clean’…

    I know Ben as one of my true best friends since a long time and yes I would walk trough fire for him! If there ‘s one thing he does not deserve than it ‘s this crap from a dumb guy (Charles) with a website that has the most ridiculous domain name that I ever read, but that to the side.
    From my point of view and the research that I did, he does not even know the difference between a Belgian Beer and a South African Diet Soda on the rocks. Ben is a cool person, honest, always fair to people around him, he ‘s a heck of a great father for his kids, takes care of his girlfriend Nicole and, lives a great life in his new home of Boulder CO and works *%ucking hard for his job, 24/7, and his job is not just riding a bike like some people think. His job is creating interest in a great sport, showing people what you can do with a CX bike.
    But his 100% honesty was misplaced by a couple of people at that time when he got caught, and that just happened, and yes for a reason, but does that make him a nasty person today or the devil on two wheels?
    I don ‘t think so and I ‘m going to tell you why.
    Ben is the kind a guy that picks up a penny on the strip in Vegas and starts asking people around him who lost it. He ‘s the kind a guy that jumped in his truck 5 years ago and drove 85 miles to help me change my tire at 4am in the morning, image that he had to race the day after! But he ‘s also the kind a guy that kicks you in the nuts if you try to make a fool out of him or his friends. God bless that mentality! But he would never do that if it ‘s not a fair fight, I guess Charles was the lucky one last week because of his disability when he reached out nasty to Ben. Believe me, he would definitely ended up within 3 seconds with his ‘space-pen’ shoved up in his lower spot where the sun does not shine if they had equal weapons… ben responded virtually where it hurts Charles the most, how would you be?
    Ben is not the kind a guy to kick someones butt if it ‘s not fair.
    But looking at that video and the reactions from some people, as an example, makes me sad because that ‘s another story where you only see one side. (Look at the whole race!) No one told you you guys that the rider being ‘pushed’ by Ben ‘s elbow was constantly looking at Ben during that race and closed the door every time when Ben wanted to take over, so he after 8 attempts Ben did what he did and you would do the same thing, he pushed him to the side where he belonged. Believe me, you would do the same, even faster I guess….!
    And I accept that behavior from a ‘friend’, because friends need to protect friends and that starts with protecting yourself. Look at it like sitting in an airplane that goes down, you first inhale some fresh air for yourself before you help your neighbor and you both be safe before the crash landing…!
    People that needed to judge sports athletes when they did something wrong did what they had to do a couple years ago and justice took care of that, simple!
    Ben responded correct at that time and told the whole world immediately that he made a huge mistake, from the first minute when they asked him he confessed and agreed to cooperate and work it out.
    I call that ‘respect’! Totally different story than the 250 other confessed users and not to mention the thousands of other “uncaught athletes” in multiple sport disciplines even as we speak.
    What ‘s more important is the fact that Ben currently took over second place in the US ranking even as we speak (US national list of top CX riders), that ‘s a whole different story if you know that he has his age against him, his past against him and most of all he reached this goal (top 3 rider!) without any form of doping. Test him out and you will find out.
    So that being said, I think, as a friend of Ben, that 99.9% of the (younger generation) CX riders should take a living example about him and learn the lesson that he teaches all of you guys. And yes, all of you guys, you should be thankful instead of shooting at him, and especially Charles. Ben told the whole CX world the goods and the bad ‘s of this sport.
    You know to be honest, why should I shoot my mailman in his legs because he delivers me my regular utility bills? Imagine that, and that ‘s exactly the same approach what ‘Charles’ was trying to do here. he ‘s shooting the mailman! Wrong approach, give the man a cup of coffee and make him your friend and be a thankful person. That ‘s how simple life can be….
    It ‘s just not fair because Charles is not the Holy Father and has obviously not the right to judge the way he did in public, he should have been a lot smarter and he would probably end up making a lot more hard earned dollars in the future if he ‘supported’ hard working people. But that ‘s what happens with uneducated writers. Simple approach from my point of view.
    He ‘s the kind a guy that would spit in dough, bake bread out of it and sells it with a nasty smile to customers in his bakery! Typical!!!
    I was just wondering why he was not writing for the USA TODAY or the New York Times or any other major newspaper. Let me tell you this, this is why!
    And before I forget, Charles sentence about Belgian CX team ‘s who are not signing a contract with him? That ‘s a funny one! With a USA TOP3 CX rider in 2013-2014? Hell yeah, with whatever background, I would sign him for a couple years to start with! And that ‘s the emails that Ben get ‘s from teams constantly, the ‘please ride for us e-mails’ like we call them. That ‘s Ben ‘s only value meter in his career, nothing more and nothing less, and specially not the “Harmless Charles dudes” and that ‘s important!
    At the end of the day, the best promo material you get are positive reactions in general to what I believe.
    Crashing hard a couple of years ago does not matter anymore, like Ben said in a recent interview ‘let it rest’…. It ‘s about today, even as we speak, Ben ‘s living a lot of people ‘s dreams doing what he does best, and that ‘s riding a CX bike, reaching for a podium almost every week and succeeding in his goals, only using his experience and knowledge to do that. And he is blessed to do all this in the US with a great team. How cool is that?
    Isn ‘t that what makes this sport so populair around the world?
    That ‘s what I call being a living hero in this magnificent sport!
    Sometimes you have to use your helicopter view and get a total image of what ‘s going on! I used to steel so much candy in our local gas station until they caught me when I was 7, does that mean that I ‘m a thief? I guess not. We all made several mistakes, but getting straight with whatever you did in your past makes you a better person, period!
    And teaching a lesson to a whole crowd of fans and enthusiastic riders is more valuable than anything else in life.
    At least you show people around you a couple different ways of reaching a goal, one way is better than the other…
    Anyway, Ben is a great guy and you should keep on supporting him, and what Charles accounts, he learned a lesson to if you know what I mean, let him do what he can do best and that ‘s making a fool out of people and receiving psychological mental hits back. Some people fuel them selve with negative energy, this is one of them. 100 to 1 that he will never retire from being a top journalist, at least not with fat paychecks every month until he passes away very lonely in a God forgotten corner out of the blue.
    Ben from the other counts on one thing and that ‘s karma, I know that, he knows that and you all should know that. Let my words be the words to remember when you look at Ben, doing his best to teach the world the best lesson ever.

  44. Wow man. Too drunk or not drunk enough? Let’s set all these character assasinations on both sides aside as pointless, and just disassemble this little shit-turd point-by-point.

    “keep lying”. Dude do you even know the back story? Have you ever paid any attention to cycling? When popped for doping he confessed. Do you have any idea how rare that is? Classy? Seriously? How many dopers can you name that confessed without being 100% totally cornered. And even then most don’t. So it isn’t surprising that he said “keep lying”. it’s surprising that he said it OUT LOUD, or that for one tiny little minute he was the only guy in the universe that didn’t get that “keep lying” was pretty much the standard advice EVERYONE FOLLOWS.

    Calling out on twitter? Like others have said, if you’re gonna bring it, be ready for it. If you’re gonna take your heckling to the next level, chase someone around the course, and leave all the humor behind, what the fuck do you expect?

    Oh that brings me to the next point. Maybe you expect that the prosthetic arm means no paybacks. WHAT THE FUCK? The handy-capable don’t deserve and shouldn’t want a free hall pass on this issue. If you bring the rawest most blunt heckling, you get back the rawest most blunt heckling. HARDEN THE FUCK UP.

    One armed dude grabbed the bull by the horns. Fair enough. Fuck yeah. But if the bull doesn’t lose his temper and tells some masturbation jokes, that means the bull has no class?

    Dude I think you need to take some classes on class. Because in my book, making jerkoff jokes in this particular situation may just be the classiest thing I’ve seen all year.

  45. I am calling a little bullshit on both sides here.
    Heckling in cx? sure. there probably is a line, gray and fuzzy as it may be. Calling a confessed (after he got popped) doper or former doper a doper is kind of harsh, (at what point do we live and let live) but then anyone who has followed DC over the years would know that this is not a doper/ex-doper/doping related friendly place…Berden is not the first to get slammed here. Don’t like the abrasive attitude towards anyone implicated in doping then you are in the wrong place.

    Maybe Ben is a nice guy but be that the case, he had a lot of higher-road options he could have taken, yet didn’t. If you take his side, then at the very least he stooped down to the level of his heckler. Pros take a lot of shit worse than that. Shouldn’t have too, but the reality is, it happens. Lot of others don’t react like that. Maybe he was having a bad day. Seems like a lot of BB supporters have been coming out of the woodwork, can’t imagine he would get this much love if he was a complete asshole. Or maybe its a birds of a feather kind of thing?
    Did Charles cross the line? Kind of sounds like it but hard to say without having been there, although if you have announcers calling you out it might be a good indicator.
    I like heckling in cx. As pointed out, there is a lot of creative shit out there. Generally it seems the uncreative, profanity laden, direct insults are not that great. And don’t get me wrong, I love profanity. But there is a point when you have to take a look around and say, hey, maybe weaving “fuck” into every imaginable insult at a public event, with kids and others of potentially thinner skin around, might not be such a great idea. The wrong people get bent and it can be a bad thing for the cx scene. Nothing a promoter loves more than having their event cast with negativity. Also a good way to endanger some venues.

    So who wins here? Seems like everyone lost. Except Tim Johnson.

  46. Yes indeed the ‘fuck’ thread all through it… very disappointed to hear of this kind of outburst at our beloved venue McD. You know the young parties that are present, and impressionable. If you really have a problem with someone, than disassociate, don’t hate. Hate is a value I wish not for my children. You are not the guardian of the sport, we have governing bodies for that. Please help to create a positive atmosphere or find the nearest exit.

    Hope this wasn’t too long PME

  47. So to sum up;
    A guy that once admitted to doping gets abused by a crazed, racist, one-armed, hate-monger and when said guy defends himself with the hilarious ‘masturbating’ jibe DC rolls in to join the abuse – adding links to said riders team in the hope that the DC massive will get the guy fired or just generally continue the abuse or whatever.
    I’d never heard of Ben or Charles but you’ve certainly helped me form an opinion on both.
    Good work DC. How does that backfire taste?

  48. So can we call this thread dead with a summary of points made?
    A) Half the people here think Ben is classy. Why he came clean after he got popped. Man in handcuffs in the back of a squad car “I stole the car.” Cops say “Wow what a classy guy, he came clean after we got him.” Makes sense. Also classy would of been to completely ignore a guy who is really just trolling to get the reaction Ben gave so he can say “look he’s not classy at all,he’s an asshole.” Which is is exactly what he got. Classy can also be coming out before you got popped and and saying “I’m not gonna dope. I’m not going to sacrifice my integrity for a fistful of dollars.”
    B) Half the people here think Chuck is a really nice guy. From what I have read and heard, I call bullshit. Not having an appendage doesn’t give you a free and clear pass. From what I have read Chuck has no creativity in his heckling and I have no time for that. If promoters are telling you to shut the fuck up. Maybe you need to shut the fuck up. If the handicap-able what to play hockey they better expect to get every once in awhile. I’m EOE when it comes to talking shit. But the arm, or lack there of is an easy target Ben. Should of gone more sublime and picked on his small dick.
    C) Half the people here hate dopers. I don’t get it. I mean I do but I don’t. We will see pictures and coverage of guys known to dope (Marco Pantani) and talk about how awesome they were. But then Ben comes along and he is the god damn devil. Confused on that hypocrisy which is very prevalent in my own mentality.
    D) I see people talking about how DC needs to go back to the days of Porn and blah, blah, blah. I say fuck that. Titties are awesome, I’ll give you that, but the one constant in life is change. You can get porn anywhere. Shit you can go on reddit and get gifs of a foreskin hiding Cheetos if you want. Or two Japanese women scissor dancing with a squid between them. So use your smart phone to look at that stuff. People change as do websites get over it.

    On another note can we stop using pussy, or vagina, or other terms as an insult. I love me some pussy. In fact I would say it is one of my favorite things in life. I really don’t want Chuck, Ben, or Wheeles to be lumped into that same category as something I love. Brings the bar, of what is awesome, way down. Use balls or scrotum or taint instead.
    Also pussy be tough. Your wife’s vagina can take a pounding and come back for more. Where as your set of balls gets grazed by a butterfly wing and your ass is curled up in the fetal position in the corner for ten minutes. I think I like your wife’s vagina more. See what I did there.

  49. Wow. Cyclocross is PATHETIC.

    If it’s not bitching about heckling
    …it’s bitching about callups.
    …or mechanicals.
    …or tire pressure.
    …or caught behind crash.
    …or too muddy.
    …or too dry.
    …or not a power course
    …or too technical.

    Maybe they need to start handing out medals to all the finishers, and cx racers will stop bitching all the time

  50. There is nothing funny about any of this, except for most of it. Chuck should exchange the prosthetic arm for the biggest dildo in the land and run around clobbering everyone off of their trainers with it at the next race.

  51. 77 comments? This doesn’t even rate as the silliest thread on here. I think Big Jonny’s Balls got well over 100, and we drove a couple of littlejar’s rants over 200. Get with it people…

  52. el jefe is right, this is really pretty tame.
    The great political debates preceding a few presidential elections were seriously serious and got pretty nasty at times.
    a shit-ton of bitching and arguing and little to no bikes/boobs/beer talk.

  53. Sounds like Charles was heckling just to piss Ben off. Way passed the fun/entertaining type. Ben then said something to equally piss off Charles. Don’t hide behind the veteran thing that’s fucking stupid. You can’t demand respect if your not earning it. Plus how was been supposed to know he was a veteran he sure as hell wasn’t acting like one. I think Charles and DC is disrespecting veterans WAY more than Ben ever has.

  54. The “I remember when” posts are always my favorite.

    I remember when BioPace came out. Does that make it cool now?

  55. Kapooyah! It’s like my dad said just before being arrested outside that playground; “Fuck em,fuck em all son”. Thanks for all the dip-shittery DC readers, and I hope you do go bugger off the DC threads (per your promise) with your 10,000 word dissertations on the weight and smell of used tampons and other worthless pseudo-intellectual pork-fed diatribes you spew., The readers just helped me kill half a bottle of Three Buck Chuck. Fuck this and fuck that, and that’s a fact.

  56. THIS SIDE, AND THEN THAT SIDE, AND WHAT HE SAID AND THE OTHER GUY SAID! YAAARRGGGHHH!

  57. Powers – there’s little you could do to convince me you’re not a doper. Thank Ben and the rest of your cohorts for that. You want a little respect…. please, you get paid to ride a bike, you’re not curing cancer. If any of these guys respected the bike half as much as themselves there wouldn’t be a pissed off dude running around calling you out.

  58. I’m curing cancer and I know a ton of other scientists who are curing cancer, a good bunch of them are total asshole person…. oh and by the way, we will never cure cancer, put that in your stupid head.

    Heckling an ex-doper is like heckling an ex prisoner (I’m not gonna hire you, fucking convict), or like someone who heckles because I smoked a joint 10 years ago (hey you fucking doper)… Are you people so fucking self righteous ???? Give me a break, and not one in your glasshouse please. The same kind of treatment one arm by is giving to an ex doper recalls the discrimination an ex combat officer has to fight upon return, or the perception of a handicap. Fuck off already, oh and by the way. Yeah I find it fucking funny his dick didn’t fall off like his arm when he masturbated, niggers, get over yourselves.

  59. Everything you said was right until ”Your wife’s vagina can take a pounding and come back for more.” You sir, have a very sad wife who doesn’t have the balls to ask you to make love to her….

  60. Who, in cycling, hasn’t “doped”?
    If the intention of this post was to make your friend Charles look like a huge douche, then great writing!
    If your intention was to be funny, amusing, interesting, or thoughtfully irreverent toward the establishment(all the things I used to read this blog for), huge fucking failure!
    After a six month hiatus from DC, due to all the boring, popular consensus “Lance lie’d to me” bullshit, I decided to check back to see if you got funny again or if there was a cool story from Dirty about gettin lost in the Mexican desert while drinking tequila riding epic goat trodden single track.

    HUGELY DISAPPOINTING SMALL MINDED BULLSHIT!

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