It’s a Monday. I heard the babble of a trickling brook, or maybe it was a waterfall casting into a coi pond. I stepped into the basement only to realize that instead, all my shit was being glazed with the sweet stench of a busted waste water line. Apparently, cast iron plumbing wears out. It’s times like these that help me realize that I am astray like a black sheep and that I must regain my faith in Jesus because that motherfucker is a friend of mine.
On the good tip, Cadel absolutely crushed the opening TT at the Dauphine Libre. I suspect that because he is on such form now, he’ll completely crack about 2 weeks into the Tour. I’m calling it. It’s Contador in July.
The MBAA will make their last entrance into Flagstaff for the year this coming weekend.
from: david needham
I choose to use my name instead of some nick name. I hope that the upcoming race is Flagstaff goes as planned. I was very upset that my daughter was sent off course and wound up on a trail that was way beyond her skill level. I know that this race will bring money into Flagstaff, three of my friends will be coming in on Friday, renting rooms and eating at our establishments. We all have the right to protest, but we have the responsibility to do so in a safe, respectful manner.
I’m with you, I want this coming weekend to be a perfect experience as well, but if your daughter got lost in the fort valley trail system she may be in over her head at the finale even if she stays on course.
The fort valley trails are locally known as the Girlfriend Trails because they are the trails that you take your GIRLFIREND on when she HAS NEVER RIDDEN OFF-ROAD BEFORE IN HER LIFE. In light of that, perhaps you should consider a SPOT for her just in case. You know, safety first? Perhaps strap some pillows to her, maybe some Charmin. Anyway, I may just have to hit up the marathon class and see how shelled I can get.
The world ain’t perfect except for in Phoenix.
And that brings me to this: The reason there is a north vs south disorder is because there’s a LARGE volume of ignorance coupled with an amazing tenacity for ham fisted douchbaggery that comes straight out of stuccoville PHX and other places devoid of culture, primarily concerned with the business of blatant & unrelenting consumption. And I’m not talking about anyone I know personally but rather the mindless lemmings that don’t know the holes from the asses. People that I have no desire to be friends with. People that think this is the greatest representation of Merica. The white men in Dances with Wolves. People that don’t understand what the big problem is with places like L.A. People that buy water in convenient 16oz 34 packs. It’s the same reason there is opposition to the Snowbowl expansion issue on the Peeks (sic). You see, in a certain parlance, the term “growth” is akin to Cancer and while the politicians and corporations chant its requirement, a growing number of people disagree. Many of them reside in places like Flagstaff. Many of them take offense at representations of said cancerous growth. Through no effort of their own, the MBAA and their efforts represent that regardless of the righteousness of the bicycle at their foundation. Indeed, it’s a difficult concept to understand without removing yourself from the ratrace seen in many urban areas.
Like I said, it’s a Monday with a magic shell of shit.
What? Biker down? fuck it. Why not. Have I mentioned it’s a monday?
from: tony outta Chi Town
chicagotribune.com/news/local/chi-police-officer-charged-hit-run
o.k., so the kid did wrong by sneaking out of his house. but, y’know what? i did some crazy shit when i was a kid too. what they left out of the story (and was reported elsewhere) was that they didn’t give the Cop a blood test ’til 6 or 8 hrs. later. AND, for the Cop’s bond hearing they told the kid’s parents (who got hold of the media) one time and held it EARLIER due to some ’scheduling conflicts’…. soooo fucking Chicago!
linkdump:
- weight shift: a stable of steeds
- weightshit: half acre cycling
- hydrapack: Gelbot mustard dispenser
- hydrapack: R & D done right
Happy monday internet. May your prosperity become necrotic to your soul.
June 8th, 2009 at 4:13 pm
Video was fun, jesus aint no friend of mine, rather I aint no friend of his, but with videos like that I am considering changing our relationship, hummm…
Gotta disagree, I think Menchov will take it in July, either way I am looking forward to the tour. Look for Contador 2nd, Sastere 3rd. Lance will be in top ten but barely.
The Oakleys truck is sick, and I mean sick in the way that it made me want to hurl. Eff Oakley.
June 8th, 2009 at 4:25 pm
Menchov to win the two hardest tours in the same year? Tall order for anyone but maybe.
Lance was coming on in the late stages of the Giro, I think he’ll run top five in the tour.
June 8th, 2009 at 7:07 pm
Lance will win. We will all hate ourselves in the morning.
June 8th, 2009 at 7:34 pm
Lance Armstrong will not win the Tour again. And Brett Farve will not win another superbowl. Aint’. Gonna. Happen.
Anyway, latest from oddschecker.com/…tour-de-france:
Alberto Contador 11/10
Lance Armstrong 11/2
Andy Schleck 8
Cadel Evans 14
Denis Menchov 20
Christ. They’re taking good money on L. Armstrong. I can’t believe it. Save Contrador, the rest of that top five is bullshit. Schleck is a huge talent, but the grand tour? I don’t know if he’s ready. Evan will fold like a lawn chair. Menchov just nailed down the biggest win of his career last week. I don’t know if the Tour is possible, for him or his team – it is asking an awful lot for all involved.
I’m going with Contador. L. Armstrong wants this only because he has no idea what else to do with the rest of his life.
There ought to be some very uncomfortable moments at the Astana dinner table next month… (remember this?)
June 8th, 2009 at 7:40 pm
Oh yeah, this too: Doobie Brothers – Jesus Is Just Alright
June 8th, 2009 at 8:32 pm
1. Contador (because he’ll have the team behind him, and it’s the same machine with a different driver…)
2. Evans (because he won’t attack in the mountains, just like Leipheimer…)
3. Menchov (because he’s tired. Is he planning on riding the Vuelta also?)
4. Armstrong (because he’ll get angry, and when he gets pissed he gets stonger… I might even dark horse him. We may end up with another battle a la LeMond-Hinault… He’s been a good team player so far, and may call in those favors.)
Now for the year after, Contador will get 3rd since both Basso and Menchov will concentrate on the Tour.
Fuck that Oakley rig.
June 8th, 2009 at 9:40 pm
Levi and Evans can’t attack in the mountains. they just don’t have that breakaway ability. It is not as though they dont want to. body type and muscle twitch etc
oakley make the shades that transform a tool
June 8th, 2009 at 9:41 pm
the boss makes a good call on the leader board. Evan’s wont attack because he thinks he can’t, or he can’t.
However it ends, I don’t care. I’m going to enjoy every day of it. Viva la tour.
June 8th, 2009 at 9:43 pm
Madness ripped these guys off. that opening riff
“jesus came and found me and touched me down inside”? are these motherfuckers catholic?
June 9th, 2009 at 5:40 am
We’ll know about Armstrong after the first set of mountains and long time trial. If he pulls a top three in the time trial, and can be an instigator in the mountains, the friendly team dynamics may well become not so friendly. Love him or hate him, you’ve got to respect that he’s 38 and riding at that level.
Mostly I hate other Oakley customers… M-frames are still the best, most versatile riding glasses made. As long as you stay away from the white frames and graphics, some of their other style shades aren’t too bad. Some are shit, but there are a few that aren’t too over the top…
June 9th, 2009 at 7:37 am
Picking Contador for the Tour is easy… but hard to argue with.
I predict Lance will lose time in an early stage and could well become the baddest-ass domestique in history, dishing out tons of pain on anyone trying to ride on Contador’s wheel.
June 9th, 2009 at 8:54 am
Dave – how do you relate the opposition to the USFS approval of the expansion and snow-making at Snowbowl to a bunch of over-consuming flatlanders? You ought to dig deeper into that case. Find out who is leading the charge, what they own, where their interests lie, and then consider why they would want to keep Snowbowl from expanding…. once you have all the information you will find that it has nothing to do w/ the monolithic culture you so despise or religion as claimed and everything to do w/ hypocrisy & competition.
Or just maybe, a certain culture deeply rooted in northern az are abandoning their ancient cultures for the same monolithic culture of LAPHX.
June 9th, 2009 at 9:42 am
i eagerly await the stream of bitching that will ensue when…. 1: people realise the extent of the construction that will ensue when they start building this pipeline.2:snowbowl road either gets closed to biking for a summer OR is just really, really hazardous {better hope LMR is done by then, road bikers!} 3: sledding area! i’ll let that speak for its self……..i don’t care, as i only XC ski at the nordic center, but i foresee lines & traffic to the bowl as being chaotic AT BEST, all the time……they better implement manditory shuttle busses, and boy, getting people out of their personal ride {as shown by americas *awesome* mass transit system} is sorta hard……. conveyor belt on hart prarie run? whoa! 3: what will likely be the total destruction of flying fish trail 4: one mixed blessing – less development? there’s only SO MUCH water, after all……. just some thoughts……. i’m all for PHX folks coming up…….it’s a tourist economy, yo. i was here in the 70’s and it was DEAD. Steve Garro, Coconino Cycles.
June 9th, 2009 at 12:08 pm
Mitch, the way I read your comment it seems you know about the details regarding the snowbowl expansion yet you don’t provide any information but rather, are asking me to go on some scavenger hunt for “facts”. That’s kind of a bummer. Help a brother out.
As it was written, I was relating the two issues because they share similar mindsets of exploitation (growth) and indeed, there is opposition to that… naturally.
The opposition on all accounts is that there are those who do not want “growth” because with it (as it is proposed) comes the externalities that those who live here have to deal with such as a 3 hour wait on hwy 180 between snowbowl and town (a distance of 7 miles), or the simple understanding that the area is being abused for some arbitrary “right” to develop and expand. As well, the majority of those who will make the traffic, are from out of town and by default, will have little or no regard for this place. Garro points out the realities of what we will have to deal with so that Snowbowl can become whatever grandious Phoenix-vacuum “resort” it is attempting to be.
When I was the competition director for the MBAA in 2005, I was in charge of holding the first state finals race here in Flagstaff. With that, I embraced the horde that attended the event up at the nordic center. Few had any consideration for the area. They parked where ever they pleased, and complained like typical self centered racers. Point being is that YES, it’s ok to leave a smaller foot print in all circumstances, not just while camping. Nobody gets that. Suffice to say, I happily left my post with the MBAA when I realized that it was more just management of terds who are no more conscientious than a dog. I extrapolate that, to my disdain for humanity in general.
At some point, doesn’t there have to be a conscious consideration of the impacts of these things? Logically, how can there be any rational basis to pump waste water onto the mountain in a place that is so arid that watering a lawn or washing a car is scoffed at? At what point, will the powers that be, accept that this is a dry place, and shitty snow consistency is part of the deal?
I can point to other elements of contention in the southwest as well: Black Mesa/Peabody, Lake Powell/glen canyon dam, the once contentious selling of canyonland acreage for drilling… I’m sure there are other issues as well.
I personally love snowbowl for the small ski area that it is. I’d like it even better if it wasn’t even there, and anyone who wanted to ski the peaks, had to hike it. Its the same reason that I think those who shuttle up a hill to ride a bicycle down it, are lame. It’s just a simple difference of opinion founded on a sense of work-ethic. Earn your turns. Take it for what it is. Arizona is not California nor is it Colorado. I don’t understand any attempt to make it what it is not.
By definition, growth without restraint is termed Cancer and what good reason is there to mimic that? I know, I know. Too esoteric.
back to the mbaa. The trail monkey wrenching was in protest of the mindset I tried to explain above. That is all, without regard for the fact that it was cyclist against cyclist.
Originally, I attempt to defende the mbaa being here. Again, I think they do good things for people living in the PHX shity, just as the FBO does for FLG folk, or the IMBA. Of course, that wasn’t heard. Instead DC is associated with “the problem.” Whatever.
Chalk another one up for my disdain of humanity.
June 9th, 2009 at 1:43 pm
I can’t imagine alnce not winning. And the Picksgurgh Stillers will at least make the playoffs. At any rate they will contin ue to humiliate the Ravens. Or as Billy Joel said:
“Got a wife and kids in Baltimore Jack
The Ravens suck ass and their fans are on crack”…
June 9th, 2009 at 1:59 pm
The overall Phoenician mindset and their stunning stupidity exhibited when in the high pines are the problems… Plain and simple. I watched flagtown be the resort/escape/sledding colony of the Phoenicians and it sucks. Yes Garro, it is a resort town but I’d rather see turquoise-wearing Germans over those from south of the rim any day!
Working at a local ski shop years ago I routinely watched the Spores on their weekend/holiday excursions to the mountain. They’d drive up early in the morning, toss their McDonald’s wrappers on sidewalks and streets, bitch and complain about long lines, exhibit an innate inability to drive in the slightest of precipitation, etc….. Oftentimes they wouldn’t even check the f*ucking weather before heading up and be totally pissed and rude that there was no snow. Skiing the pee will only bring more…
June 9th, 2009 at 2:55 pm
If the economy stay they way it is – euro strong against the dollar – you’re doing to be seeing a lot of German’s on their way to the Grand Canyon this summer.
June 9th, 2009 at 3:22 pm
Dave, i’m not one to slander. do the math. While there is a history of dispute over the peaks on the grounds of native american religious beliefs… this latest has nothing to do w/ religion. once you know who is involved and what they own, it’s black & white and comes down to how many will drive 2hrs vs. 4.5hrs from LaPhx if all is equal…
June 9th, 2009 at 3:38 pm
I don’t see where slander is an issue. I understand the math.
June 9th, 2009 at 3:59 pm
“Snow From Heaven, Not Hoses.” See you at Grand Targhee in March 2010.
“Ski Snoqualmie Pass! Heaviest Snow on Earth!” We have snow making- in the super pipe. You can see it from my condo, but I’ve never skied it. I was pushing my bike through snow on Saturday. Come and get it, I’m done with it.
Maybe the earth is trying to tell folks in Arizona that they shouldn’t be skiing. Or at least go to Colorado and rub shoulders with the Texans and Midwesterners. And stop Photoshopping the sky blue in all your photos- everyone knows the sky is gray.
June 9th, 2009 at 5:14 pm
Mitch,
I know exactly who is involved and what they own. I have known these interests and their agendas for 30+ years. To say religion has nothing to do with it is absurd. And do your homework; Bruce Babbitt is the biggest hypocrite in the world. He and his have bowed to the almightly dollar. His pummice mine opposition while head of Interior and his support for this pee skiing as a private citizen… entirely a contradiction. And JR Murray can kiss my ass. And “Reclaim the Peaks”…WTF? Reclaim them from what? Their natural semi-arid state? Their centrality to the cosmologies of no less than 11 tribes? Reclaim them from flagtown? I don’t get it. Reclaim them from whom for whom? And this is no form of slander…
June 10th, 2009 at 8:41 am
Hey Duke,
Navajo Nation, et al. is the plaintiff. it is comprised of six Native Nations suing the Forest Service. These include the Navajo Nation, White Mountain Apache Tribe and Yavapai-Apache Tribe. It also includes the Sierra Club, Center for Biological Diversity and the Flagstaff Activist Network. The last 3 groups of that et al will jump aboard any ship that opposes anything congruent to the demand of an expanding civilization. They are like riders on a bill if you will… and looking for something to claim victory to whenever possible.
it has been my understanding for some time (from involved parties) that the White Mountain Apache Tribe initiated the first injunction against the USFS approval for SB to expand and blow snow. They own Sunrise. When you are done skiiing at the end of the day, there is nothing to do in that town except spend your money at the Casino or in one of their hotels (unless you’re willing to stay 30mi + away from the resort). They have garnered much of the LaPhx audience because they have been able to boast consistent seasons and conditions. How…? Aside from slightly more natural snow fall and a larger resort, THEY BLOW SNOW. And they do it USING RECLAIMED WATER. hmmmmm, they have expanded their resort, and they blow snow using reclaimed water…. ON SACRED LAND. interesting… If i am wrong on any of this i was given bad information, so be it. It doesn’t change anything from here on out anyway….
…because you can’t ignore the economics involved and that’s what it comes down to. You’ve got two ski resorts within 1/2 day drive from a city of 6mil+. One is 2hrs away and the other 4.5hrs away. I’ve also met many on the lifts from Tucson. Snowbowl, being much closer to LaPhx, has a lot more to offer (not withstanding your input) and has the feel of a ski town in the winter like say, Telluride, Durango, Silverton, etc… It’s fun. Sunrise, being a longer drive has nothing to offer outside of their lodge, hotels & Honduh Casino.
Now you may say great – keep the LaPhx scumbags in Sunrise and out of Schwagstaff. I would love that as well. I buy a season pass. I come up the hill frequently. I have many friends there, enjoy and respect the town, and despise the lines and general idiocy of out-a-towners en masse as much as anyone who grew up there. It is unfortunate that some visitors/tourists, not most as you would implicate, behave irresponsibly when in Flag.
Lest ye forget, Flagstaff is also the gateway to one of the most famous landforms on earth…
From my observations in the 12+ years I’ve been frequenting Flag on a very regular basis, many of the locals are just as capable if not more… most of whom are ethnically associated w/ the et al Tribes… so let’s not get carried away.
I’m sure they see the same in Durango, Telluride, etc… But if living in a town that so many people from all over the Southwest enjoy is such a burden to you, maybe you should consider living somewhere else. Like northern Idaho… your attitude towards outsiders would fit right in.
Or maybe you should work harder to convince your local elected officials that tourism is more of a burden than a benefit to the local economy. You would first have to correct our states flawed sales tax mode of income. Then lobby for the increase in property taxes to make up for the loss in sales tax revenue. AZ as a whole is a Tourist State. Much of our social and economic development funding is derived from sales tax. And I guarantee you that the Town of Flagstaff & Coconino Co. will continue to welcome any and all Tourism they can get.
Just curious, where were you guys when wallyworld, homedepot, target, et al were coming to Flag? That made me sick to my stomach. i couldn’t believe you let wallyworld land there. why didn’t all the local businesses that were stood to be hurt my walmart coming ban together and file a suit against the city/county for approving their development?
yet, all the factions will ban together to prevent snowbowl from expanding when all the small business, their employees and subsequently much of the population of Flagstaff stand to benefit from increased revenue as a result of a consistent & reliable winter ski season.
June 10th, 2009 at 10:00 am
excellent points. there was good resistance to walmart a few years back, composed of the mindset in question here, but seeing as this town is just a bit too red, it failed. Actually, I’m not sure, but I don’t think walmart was able to squeak their super-box in as they wanted due to certain opposition.
There’s no doubt that the resistance is a small minority and I’m sure that when this place becomes too reminiscent of what they despise, they will move on.
I do understand it as a double edge sword too. I personally would like to see a little more conscientious effort on the part of those in charge however it seems to only be business as usual here as with anywhere else. As when Napolitano was in charge, and she trumpeted growth, growth, growth, until it became a major component of the national economic collapse. She saw no repercussions of “growth” being bulldozed all the way out to Florence, or she wasn’t willing to go against the ignorant masses that saw it as good.
And again, as with cancer, all that development has become a somewhat necrotic wasteland although I expect that it will recover until the next collapse.
good times.
June 10th, 2009 at 10:17 am
“hayduke” where did you move here from? Steve.
June 10th, 2009 at 1:16 pm
Phx is surrounded by future ghettos…. seriously. it’s gonna be ugly. anyone making it and able to afford water here in 20yrs will be living in the city proper. all others will be singing a new “anthem” and waiting for their h2o rations.
June 10th, 2009 at 1:20 pm
I arrived in flagtown circa 1973.
June 10th, 2009 at 1:31 pm
Mitch,
“centrality to the cosmologies of no less than 11 tribes”. havasupi, hualapai, utes, etc. nobody was talking about specific plantiffs. and as you clearly cannot see, none of what i write is about economic development and local business. i could care less, really, about luring PHX/LAX visitors away from the white mountains to the peaks. let them continue to build casinos and ski on pee.
June 10th, 2009 at 2:22 pm
Hayclueless… read. comprehend.
or continue to maintain centrality to your small mindedness. it’s not about what you or i think.
June 10th, 2009 at 4:39 pm
not about what you or i think? wtf? isn’t that why anyone would post THEIR PERSONAL COMMENTS in such a forum… to express their THOUGHTS? you sir, are an idiot. and btw, there’s not a single thing about the snowbowl thing i don’t know or comprehend. and, i surely don’t need some assclown phoenician telling me anything about my local, hometown mountain.
June 10th, 2009 at 6:16 pm
It’s all about what we think.
In high school art class I thought to make a Nuke Phoenix silk screen. Beautiful shirts ensued: cross hairs on sprawl spilling from the edges of a toilet bowl. You would be amazed by the diversity of folks–age, race, political orientation–who wanted one.
Now I’m thinking of making more to sell to local motorists stuck in bumper to bumper snow play traffic afflicting our town. (Four hours to drive a car across town at times last winter. Four hours.) (Again, bikes.)
But that’s an asshole thing to do. Most days I wouldn’t. Yet t-shirt demand then, and now (I COULD sell lots of ‘em) speaks to an underlying tension that shows up all over the place and on this blog too:
Does Flagstaff need tourism? Of course. Is that tourism inevitable? Sure is. But should it come at the needless detriment to the place? No. And hell no. Destroying the place to save it would be, and is, stupid. Resentment toward that destruction underpins local resistance to stupidity in the many forms that stupidity takes (a short list at 13, 14 and 23 above).
And Mitch, with all due respect, I would be very careful characterizing others’ motives regarding Snowbowl. Your assessment is exactly wrong, and it is carelessly dismissive of many well-intentioned and intelligent people who, for reasons that you clearly don’t and in some cases can’t understand, think that the Snowbowl expansion is, to put it mildly, a bad idea.
June 10th, 2009 at 7:27 pm
Yo! Let’s try and keep this a bit on the level. Mitch is a stand up guy and ya’ll would be happy to have him here. I can vouch for that.
Each of us has errors in our understanding no matter what self serving legitimization’s we post. As well as many of you, I too, want less_to_be_the_new_more, but I can also understand the business side of the snowbowl deal. Lame? Yes. Going to happen anyway? Yes.
Can we do anything about it? Not probable. This place is already on a trajectory founded on growth and has been since long before heritage square came into existence. How to deal should be the topic.
Remember that we’re all like minded here because of the bike. The point is to understand alternative ideas about these issues if this is “about us” as ya’ll are pointing out.
Now, time to have a beer and enjoy what we got.
June 10th, 2009 at 9:22 pm
Gnome. Thanks. Really. Thanks for stepping in; you’ve been slacking as of late. Get to work…. and… Gnome:
Disagreement is warranted; your assertion that: “the business side of the snowbowl deal… is Lame? Yes. Going to happen anyway?” Yes. probably. But don’t let the Draconian / Malthusian stuff get you down. Go ride that small green bike. Wahoo!
June 10th, 2009 at 9:56 pm
For whatever it’s worth (probably not much), I thought I’d throw this in the ring: I really don’t care if Snow Bowl a) expands, b) stays the same, or c) closes. Seriously. Any which way is fine with me. I don’t think I’ll ever ride one of those lifts again for the rest of my life.
And that has more to do with my back than any feelings about paying money to have your fat ass dragged up a hill you should be walking your fat ass up in the first place.
Earn your turns.
Also: Mitch is good people. Just trust me on that one.
June 11th, 2009 at 5:34 pm
for the most part i suppose so… thanks guys.
only reason i jumped hayduke is because he claimed to know everyone/everything about the case but only offered up a cut n paste claim made by the plaintiff…
all i’m doing is calling a spade a spade in this Snowbowl issue. Sunrise fears the expansion, has the religious freedom act to fall back on along with a history of contention on the peaks and has at the ready a bunch of folks to jump on board and run the smokescreen-cause with them. as far as what native americans consider sacred – they consider the entire planet sacred. so do i sans the rituals. but let’s face it, the human race (native americans included) are an ever expanding parasite on the planet w/ needs and wants. i only hope that much of those wants and perceived needs are changing with the current socioeconomic climate…
personally, i think they have every right to expand/blow snow. if the demand wasn’t there it wouldn’t be happening. but it is, and it will.
just like the cancerous suburban development around Phx. People are, or were, willing to buy that shit.
Not that i consider the SB expansion cancerous, i don’t. but i do think something needs to be done about the traffic in town and the roadside sledding/snowmanning. its rediculous. It took us 2hrs just to get from the base of SB road to West street a couple times. enough that i said fuck it and didn’t use enough of my season pass to warrant buying one this last year.
Or… given the scale of the infrastructure in Flagstaff, and limited to no expandability of it, maybe the town just needs to say enough is enough.
June 11th, 2009 at 6:08 pm
Well, there was demand for sub-prime loans, which was supplied (eagerly), and in turn, it created the economic collapse we are dealing with now. I think it is too myopic to allow the simple idea of supply/demand to be the reasoning… if we want to learn from the past anyway.
And if that doesn’t seem to matter, remember that the mistakes of that situation are now being payed for by us, the tax payers to the tune of trillions and many decades of debt not to mention the inflation that is on the horizon.
That said, business simply cannot be left to function on a supply/demand design alone. Left unto itself, “business” will consume until collapse.
June 11th, 2009 at 8:08 pm
Mitch,
Your Sunrise-protection-ploy thesis simply isn’t true. And it’s woefully dismissive of a lot of people who don’t want the Snowbowl expansion for a lot of good reasons.
One of those reasons is the traffic you complain about. It’s an inconvenience for you; it’s a blight and an ongoing safety issue for me and my neighbors.
To support expansion and then complain about the traffic that it will worsen demonstrates very precisely the sort of thinking that gives the word “Phoenician” a bad connotation in Flagstaff.
I could go on about Indians, Manifest Destiny, cowboy and ski boots and how some things never really change, but suffice to say that, with all the grace of prison romance, you poked a hornet nest on this one.
And that’s okay. I’ll be the first to ride bikes, quaff pints and chat about this stuff with you next time you’re in Flag–and would love to do so.
Taylor
June 11th, 2009 at 11:23 pm
as only a spore could articulate: “sledding/snowmanning”. for one i have never uttered or heard such an admission.. guilty as charged.
dc is going south.
June 12th, 2009 at 6:59 am
Weak sauce Hayduke. If you’re going to toe a line, I expect your contempt to be worth the time it takes to read it. That shit was Rupaul son.
Plenty of good peeps working the salt mines of Phoenix, just as there are plenty of bro_douchebags here, and you can’t possibly know how much phoenix blows_ass unless you’re from there, so I’m going to assume you’re a spore as well since you didn’t answer garro’s question of where you hail from (nice dodge pussy/hypocrit.)
It’s all the same. Even here. Think East FLG. Sporulation is only a ubiquity in your mind and you my friend, are a part of the prob you detest. Accept it.
I cracked up at “snowmanning”. It pretty much sums up the visual of the Wing Mountain Phenomena… you know, families of all disparity escaping the furnace-dungeon.
Anyway, the piss party over the mountain and “expansion” is never ending; more to the point,
Happy Friday bitches!
June 12th, 2009 at 8:19 am
ah yes – happy friday indeed! and yeah, this could go on and on and….
Taylor – i agree. there are plenty of reasons SB should not expand. note i did not say i supported the expansion. all i said was that they have the right to do so, as prescribed by the governing authorities & landlord (USFS).
the reasons not to expand that you speak of and i agree with would have carried a lot more weight in court if they had not been a party to and used to bolster the hypocritical lawsuit initiated by the WMAT’s. the supreme court saw through the bs. i should have referred to the WMAT’s involvement in the suit as the rider in my bill metaphor earlier. in this case, they were the sneaky rider or stinky pork attached to a legitimate bill.
had the groups sitting at the table w/ legitimate & fact-driven implications from SB’s expansion filed their own separate injunctions/lawsuits, i think there may have been a different outcome, or at least some constraints on the expansion. especially if they sought testimony from the sheriffs office who gets called out to controll the traffic, residents in proximity to SB, municipal engineers who understand the limits of their infrastructure, etc… unfortunately in this storm many of the good guys were standing under an unbrella w/ holes in it.
btw – i dig the tunes on your msp. and looking forward to my next brew in flag!
and dave is dead on – i couldn’t imagine being from here. living here is bad enough and not at the end of my 5 yr plan (hopefully). only good think about Phx is it’s proximity to all that is w/in a 1/2 day drive and that’s the only reason i’m still here. everything from desolate mexibeachs to an incredible variety of terrain high and low.
i’m out.
June 12th, 2009 at 9:27 am
One should’nt complain about traffic if you chose to live off of Hwy 180, Fort Valley, Cheshire, Baderville, etc.. I’ve been here for 15 years and the traffic has always been bad at peak usage, including early AM during the week. You made the sacrifice to live closest to the mountain. I chose west side to avoid that traffic completely and can always ride my bike over the mesa to get to the trails. XC skiing and snow-shoeing can be done anywhere else in town without the hordes. Again, everyone living on that side of town already made the choice knowing the situation and hopefully any expansion plans do involve an alternate access or widening to help accomodate.
June 15th, 2009 at 9:25 am
Gnome,
It’s quite lame to selectively and silently delete my posts. Yes, it is your (BJ’s) site and you can do whatever you want. But it’s still lame, especially when I was attempting to make an honest contribution to this discussion AND MORE IMPORTANTLY I was trying to answer Garro’s question and respond to your baseless charge. So, I arrived in FLG in 1973 from mom’s womb at the old Flagstaff hospital. Just sayin’.
Not cool for you to say “I’m going to assume you’re a spore as well since you didn’t answer garro’s question of where you hail from (nice dodge pussy/hypocrit.)” That’s Rue Paul you bitch. Stand up!
June 15th, 2009 at 9:41 am
Hayduke,
I do not believe your posts were selectively and silently deleted. You have a post stating, “I arrived in flagtown circa 1973″ above. It is # 26.
I have been following this thread, and I have not seen anything you wrote modified or removed. I have access to the front and back end of this site. And I, not 100% of the time, but most of the time, take care of the spam folder by looking through it and purging the “want a bigger penis” bullshit.
If you have something to say, post it. It will stay right here for all the world to see.
June 15th, 2009 at 9:49 am
Indeed, I delete the one of your post that was written in all-caps stating something about CENSORSHIP and ending in “BYE” and that’s all. It provided no sensical adition to the discussion.
Whatever censorship your raging against that occurred prior that, I have no idea about and neither does BJ… and he and I are the only one’s that can delete anything (as far as I know).
If you wrote anything about “old flagstaff hospital” it would have remained. How it was lost, I’m unaware… come to think of it, I did do a bunch of upgrades to the system over thurs/fri so your comment may have been lost due to that. I really have no idea. Maybe you didn’t push “send” the right way. Fuck if I know.
As BJ said, post it again.
Otherwise, yes. Censorship will exist but the “policy” is pretty loose. It’s only when douchebags start fantasizing about raping & murdering that I’m not going to deal with it. Peeps have the unrestrained freedom that anonymity provides and with that, they think anything goes. But for me, it doesn’t. There’s a limit. I have no desire to deal with some asshole who’s only goal in life is to sit in a room and flame on. That shit is simply lame to be surrounded with.
It’s either that, or require legit registration with the site.
Freedom ain’t free son. Even here. That’s just the way it is. It’s like when we were kids and our parent preached the idea of “Manners”.
June 15th, 2009 at 11:34 pm
Yep. Claro. What a bunch of stand-up-lads you are.
Yep. Makes all the sense in the world. Yep.