BGR should receive a lifetime ban from the forest for being such a meanie course marker destructivist…
from: BGR
subject: I moved your course markers.I also threw some logs in the trail. I know that this was wrong, I felt bad about it very shortly after the fact. I let my anger get the best of me, and for that I am sorry, and I apologize.
It was not premeditated. We were just out for a ride. Joe was doing his best to lead us though the Fort Valley trail system to get to the AZ trail without running into the race. Avoiding it altogether would have made us go way out of our way, or ride the road.
We took a little used entrance to Fort Valley and rode mostly on social/non system trails which interweave with Fort Valley. Every time we had to cross the race course they were logs and or flagging placed on the crossing trail that we were on. Joe and Dave hoped over the logs and or tape with little problems. My girlfriend has less experience and could not get over the logs or the tape on both sides of the trail. I couldn’t either and got caught up in the tape. This pissed me off. I moved the logs and the tape to clear the way and we moved on. We eventually got to a point were we could no longer avoid riding on the course without a big detour and after a brief talk we decided to ride the course for a short while to access the trails we were headed to. We ran into many racers. About half said hi Randy yield very nicely and continued on with their race. We were climbing, so we had the right of way, most all respected this, some did not. Not a big deal, I don’t even think allot of people know that rule, but they should. There was a commit by someone saying that we weren’t even on our side of the trail, showing they for sure don’t know or don’t understand this basic rule. Maybe it should be made clear to them before the race. Dan may have had some worse run ins, I heard some yelling , but no big deal.
We stopped at a turn below pipeline. I was already fired up. After hearing about other peoples run ins I got more piss off. I decided to take it out on the course marking. The first arrow sign I pulled down was attached to a tree. After removing it I saw how it was attached. I would have to say over 15 staples were holding the sign to the tree. This really pissed me off. I removed all the signs and pointed them the other way. The marking tape was made to go the same direction. As I was finishing this Scooby was riding down the trail towards us. I already was questioning my actions and started yelling left ( the right direction). Scooby said something like “yeah i know, who’s messing with the course”. I wasn’t looking for a confrontation and left. Dan and Dave stayed. Joe and Mellisa were already up the trail in front of me. I rode up the trail across pipeline and continued on the single track. After a short while I realized that Dan and Dave were missing. I waited for what seemed like 10 minutes and finally rode down make sure everything was OK. The trail on the other side of pipeline was blocked by a gate. I rode around the gate and continued to the turn I have changed. Everything was changed back, but Dan and Dave were not to be seen. I continued back up the trail. Now there was a lady at the gate freaking out on her cell phone. She told, not asked me, to help her move the gate and said people were sabotaging the course. I said “no thanks” and keep riding. We continued on our ride, we eventually found Dan, but no Dave.
As far as Joe or Dave knew, only the one turn was changed was discovered and fixed by scooby before we even left the scene. They had know idea that any other part of the course had be altered as I was doing so in a quick fashion and mostly staying in pace with them.
Those were my actions. I claim them. I apologize for them.
Because of nothing else but being seen in the general area you have attacked all of us and even the general population of Flagstaff in many ways. People have accused me of everything from being an illegal drug user to making illegal trails. Two people from the MBAA board looked for me at my place of employment. I wasn’t there so they attacked by employer with their problem/issues. Several people also called to complain to my boss. Because of this I no long work there. Maybe I deserve these thing to happen to me. Maybe this is the Karma you all said would come, maybe it just the start. But Joe and Dave didn’t deserve the unwarranted treats made upon them, there personal lives and businesses.
People are trying to make this into some “I don’t want you riding my trail issue.” Its not. People are saying I broke some law, but it doesn’t seem so, or maybe there are just bigger concerns for the local law enforcement .
I think the trail should be for everyone. And that one of my major problems with having MBAA race held on Mt. Elden and/or the Peaks. Some one has posed the law that they believe I have broken by blocking trails. This was done by the race to a much greater extent than my actions. Yes you have a permit to race certain trails, but to block all or most intersecting trails is another thing. Not only with tape, but with logs and rocks. As with races in the past, the tape is taken down, but the logs/rocks are not moved. Yes allot of these trail are not system trail, but does give you the right to block them? Remember, part of this last race course was held on non-system trails. This is one of my issues with this and the upcoming event in June. Here are some others. There are not all that big of a deal, but you’ve all given me the platform to rant , so rant I will.
-The Fort Valley trail system is one of the main access point to the rest of the trais on the mountain which is the most used multi-use areas around flagstaff. The other ones are Schultz, Rocky Ridge, and Lower Oldham via Buffalo Park. The next race will be using all of these trails.
- There is no pubic notice of the race at trail heads, or attempt in any other way to notify the public that there is a race so they can avoid it. There also seems to be a general lack of promotion of the race locally. You be surprised how may people didn’t even know about it.
-MBAA is not a non-profit. People are getting paid to do these events. I personal don’t think its right to profit of a race held on public land when it takes away from others use of the area. And yes this may people racing (not riding) a trail has major effect on it. Some might argue it a good effect, I do not agree.
- The race used Dog Food Engineer trail (named so by who else but Dan D). Which I believe is a social trail. This trail is what some call local schultz. Its what you ride to get further up the mountain when you what to avoid the crowd on Shultz. No only was it part of the race course, it was flagged as such for a week plus before race, directing everyone off Fort Valley Trail system (maintained official/system trail) onto Dog Food (non official/system trail/social trail). This trail leads only to other non official/system social trails that are not marked or maintained by the Forest Service.
-The next MBAA event will also be using Catwalk, Sunset, and Little Bear. This is one of longest, most open downhills on the mountain. People shuttle these trails all the time. People also climb up them. They are fast, technical trails with lots of exposure and little room to pass. To hold a race on this kind of course is in my opinion asking for issues. The last race in Prescott, which what was said to have one technical section, sent 5 people to the E.R. with 2 being flown out. This could put unneeded stress on local law enforcement/ Sheriff and medical rescue services.
- The next MBAA event along with Little Bear will also include Little Elden Spring, a poplar equestrian route. I’m told the answer to this conflict is to close the trail for 2 hours. There goes the trails being for everyone. Can you imagine going up Little Bear or Elden Spring and running into 170 races coming down. To almost everyone I think this would be irritating. For someone on a horse it could be very dangerous.
-The permit for the next race is for 350 people. I’ve never heard of one being issued for more than 200 people and those are hard for most people to get. But as the people at Absolute Bikes say , they have people inside the Forest Service. I guess they must.
-I called the Forest Service to question why this permit was allowed and what the public could do to show opposition to it. They said it was already done and there was nothing I could do about it. But suggested I could write them a letter, and to make sure to request a response if I wanted one.
-I’ve looked at the maps posted for these events. Even with being very familiar with this area I had a hard time telling what trails the race was using. Most of the trails lack Forest Service signing. I doesn’t seem like a good idea to send people out with only course tape and arrows as a way to get around.
The info regarding the last race and the next one are to the best of my knowledge not facts.
The following are excerpts from the rules regarding MBAA races.
MBAA RULE BOOK @ MBAA.NET–8.5) Only riders officially entered in the event may practice or compete on the designated race course and they must wear their number plate. The course is closed starting 1/2 hour prior to a race and is opened only after all riders
have finished the race. Anyone who starts to practice on the race course while another race is being staged will be disqualified from their race.6. Mountain Bike Racing
MOUNTAIN BIKE RULES OF THE TRAIL
All riders are expected to follow the industry-supported MTB code:
1. I will yield the right of way to other non-motorized recreationists.USA CYCING RULE BOOK usacycling.org
1Q3. Rules and Course. It is the rider’s responsibility to familiarize himself with the rules of the event and the race course before the
start of the race. Riders may not take any other route or short cut [disqualification; 30 days suspension if apparently deliberate and the rider crosses the finish line].I hope this clears some things up. Maybe you will also realize that I’m not the only person who disagrees with these races. I’m also not the only one messing up you markers. I had nothing to do with changing of the course the night before, which several people can
verify as they know were I was. The race last year , also not me. So if this happens again next race, please do some investigation before you send the mob looking for me.Randy Mason
A.K.A B.G.R
May 22nd, 2009 at 1:17 pm
word.
May 22nd, 2009 at 1:20 pm
i totally agree with the comments concerning little bear, little elden and the catwalk. not safe for mass racing *IMO*. i feel the fort valley system is *perfect* for racing in flagstaff, however, and can be diversified adequately enough on existing trails to provide many different permutations of race courses while also making racers familiar enough with the immediate area to avoid loosing their way, AND – although we hate to think about it – it is an area where injured riders can be easily evacuated. my dos centavos – Steve Garro, Coconino Cycles.
May 22nd, 2009 at 1:21 pm
Garro. Word man. That’s it.
May 22nd, 2009 at 1:39 pm
I guess not everyone knows the “don’t fuck with the race markers” rule, but they should.
May 22nd, 2009 at 1:43 pm
Randy,
I appreciate that you stood up and apologized for your actions.
May 22nd, 2009 at 2:31 pm
…glad ya weighed in, bgr…
…& while there may be “rules”, we as cyclists are all kinda rule breakers at times but sometimes it’s just nice to accommodate others & if they hold a race a coupla times a year, i can’t imagine it’s that big of a deal…
…maybe i’m wrong…
…anyway, people fucking w/ yer work situation…now that IS wrong…& oughta be rectified…
May 22nd, 2009 at 2:43 pm
Way to TRY and save a little face, Marty. I hope you do a LOT more to rectify the totally unwarranted and cheap things you directed towards joe/voodoo and gnome.
In fact, I think you should submit some manifesto (as did BGR, Joe, gnome did) and come clean. Ride clean = come clean. You lost some friends over this, man.
May 22nd, 2009 at 3:51 pm
Randy,
As a long time member of MBAA, I feel it necessary to clarify some things. Granted I can’t speak for the Board of Directors but as a member of the organization I feel I have excellent facts.
All races are posted and announced well in advance. You and anyone else are more than welcome to attend an MBAA Board Meeting and voice your concerns and issues. You can even request to conference into the meeting if you can’t personally attend. I have provided feedback many times and it was well received and utilized. These are not closed door meetings.
MBAA is non profit. The money made at racing supports the Mountain Bike Patrol, NOVA Youth Cycling, and many Trail Maintenance and Advocacy Projects. The money is put back into trails and education. MBAA Board of Directors is not a paid position. They put much time and effort into their respective positions. They do it for the love of mountain biking, trail maintenance and trail advocacy. MBAA members and racers have spent many hours building trails throughout the State of Arizona and these trails are used by everyone, not just bikers. MBAA is not just a race organization.
The MBAA Race Rules regarding not being on the course during the event are MBAA race rules for anyone who has entered and is racing that particular race. It doesn’t apply to hikers, other bikers or horseback riders on the trail at the time. MBAA is not stating no one can be on the trail. MBAA has always encouraged common courtesy whenever anyone is out riding whether it is racing or leisure. All racers are informed the trails are open and to be aware of other trail users. This is announced at every race start for each group going out. If MBAA is informed of riders not following the rules or providing trail courtesy they are dealt with individually.
As a racer who has participated in many events; it is difficult for racers to familiarize themselves with a course ahead of time when the trail markers are destroyed, removed or moved elsewhere.
Every race event MBAA holds has a NORBA/USA Cycling Official at them. NORBA Dan has no problem letting any racer know when they are breaking the rules as well he should. I am sure MBAA would be notified if they weren’t following the rules.
Likewise MBAA works closely with the Forest Service in both racing and trail maintenance. All permits, rules, etc are followed. If they aren’t, the Forest Service is quick to follow up on each item. This includes what kind of signage is to be used for course markings and what can and can’t be moved, and posted.
As per your own statement above “I’ve looked at the maps posted for these events. Even with being very familiar with this area I had a hard time telling what trails the race was using. Most of the trails lack Forest Service signing. I doesn’t seem like a good idea to send people out with only course tape and arrows as a way to get around.” This is why signage and trail markings are needed with arrows etc and is approved by the Forest Service. Without some sort of trail markers it does make it difficult where to send racers. By your own account it is important to mark the course appropriately. However when people destroy those Forest Service and USA Cycling approved markers and signage it does make for a volatile situation. Remember; MBAA is not breaking any laws.
I do think everyone should do some fact finding before finger pointing in the future. I personally would get involved if I didn’t agree with something rather than taking my frustration or anger out on racers or otherwise who are out trying to enjoy a day in the woods. Wouldn’t life be much better as a mountain biker or in general; if we could all get along, respect each other and work together in the future?
May 22nd, 2009 at 4:04 pm
fatbob, you MUST be confusing me with someone else. I have 2 post up here since this whole thing started and I do not feel the need to apologize for them.
You can find my comments under the following blog posts:
who the fuck is Santa Fe?
Post #18
Who the fuck is the MBAA?
Post #11
I also have 2 posts on this topic on the AZ MTBR thread – http://forums.mtbr.com/showthread.php?t=519673. The involved parties know me and they know how to get in touch with me directly. My FACE is out in the open and not hiding behind a username. What about yours, fatbob?
May 22nd, 2009 at 4:17 pm
it isn’t really my place so say much in regards to any of this but… i guess the only reason i comment here is because i know BJ and have met at one time or another the others.
those who went to BGR’s place of employment should be hung by their scrotums/labias. that is completely uncalled for regardless of what BGR did. in effect, that was a far more malicious act than his race marker monkey business. BGR’s employment had nothing to do with this. i am sorry to hear this has been blown this far out of proportion for all involved.
May 22nd, 2009 at 5:47 pm
I too have had the pleasure of an MBAA BoD member calling me at my place of employment and harassing me due to a legitimate complaint filed with a managing agency. That was in 2004 and I have since made it my mission to do whatever I can to obstruct and damage those pretentious, brainless pieces of fuck. You owe no one any apologies. If the trails you listed are on FS lands, get with the District Ranger and start pointing out the negative impacts, especially the lack of carrying capacity for the number of (expletive deleted) permitted for this event.
The names of the semen guzzlers that interrupted your place of work need to be published on this website. Some of us unemployed gene pool lifeguards need work…
May 22nd, 2009 at 5:57 pm
Oh and BTW if you not getting satisfactory response from the local FS; go up the chain:
Southwestern Region
333 Broadway SE
Albuquerque, NM 87102
(505) 842-3292
May 22nd, 2009 at 7:28 pm
To All-
BGR, about time..and all this non-sense could have been avoided if you just spoke up or came down to the start/finish area LAST WEEKEND and confessed straight up instead of hiding an lettin everyone else take blame. And tellling Marty’s kid straight to his face “sorry for ruining your race kid, here is 30 bucks back for your DNF”. And FatBob, not cool dude, why don’t you man up and stop hidin behind your screen name and your obvious lack of vocabulary….his kid is cooler than you will ever be and he’s less than 15 years old.
As a rider, racer, and supporter of youth cycling which all have been effected through this event, and now to try to create a problem for 4-5 hours worth of racing on flagstaff PUBLIC trails (double d has been there forever dude, since I started NAU back in 98 TEN YEARS ago and is no longer a “social trail”) is a major concern for the Majority, not the minority of those who wish they could still enjoy a little competition.
If I remember, you used to be a tight wearin super hero just like we are…and some postings are correct…it isn’t us VS. you! When I speak of minority/majority, I speak of the minority that create these problems both up in Flag and all over….here in Sedona many try to create problems by skidding off the side of Templeton trail and attract attention to MTBrs creating obvious marks on non-system trails. They seem to like the attention, much like you seem to get the attention from what you started. So, if you really wanna keep it peaceful, stay away from the race. Next time, if you need a route around the course, I’ll be happy to escort you before my 11:30 start time on trails that are neither dirt road/road. And as far as postings to the public, as far as I knew the MBAA website has info since Jan. 09 stating there will be races held on public lands in Flag…and I know for a fact that back in the day when there was to old Rock Rabbit course down in kachina/Mountaineer we were all wishin we had the opportunity to race up Elden….and this isn’t even the first time…Bill Ring use to hook it up with a permit for ’round the peaks if ya haven’t forgotten and this included a TT up Elden. If you are worried bout riders falling and hurting themselves, thanks for the concern, but this is what we sign up for. If you are so worried, why did you create even more obstacles on a g-friend course for us last week?>! Oh I forgot, you got caught up in the moment…..Thanks for being so courteous now and being concerned for our welfare. Elden/Catwalk/Hobbit/little bear/little elden are super highways in the summer…I haven’t seen a horse on one in quite a while on the weekends cause they know riders hit that loop up often, so no excuse there. If you want to really let them know we’ll be there, I’ll personally go post some signs with biodegradable staples on the non-biodegradable chicken wire on the log on lower brook….wait a second, that hasn’t ever been a problem, I’ve never seen you out there protesting that and the hundreds of nails that must hold that sucker on in plain view of a well established system trail.
This is why Flag has waves of riders coming and going…When you had a world champ livin there, national level riders, while part of the parties involved were even on a nationally ranked collegiate cycling team (nice 2nd place I remember in Reno) that probably trained up elden more than any 1 race could ever accomplish, I don’t see what one afternoon of sharing a trail with all who RIDEDIRT could hurt. This winter storm has knocked down over 20 trees on LB and don’t ya think ForestService will have them cleared quicker knowing they are having an event held on the trail sooner rather than waiting till they have time?! So in all, this does benefit all of us who are riders.
See, I couldn’t make it up to this nights shindig cause I sometimes can’t handle myself in these types of situations….I call myself on it and I’m able to now that I’m nearin grandpas age of O-L-D. but damn, I remember a drunk mans leg fallin off as he bulldozed trail access behind the Elks lodge at the end of san fran cause he tried to assault me, a rider as I was trying to ride a trail that everyone in town used. As he took a swing and missed, his damn leg fell off! When I helped him up cause I felt so bad, he smelled worse than Big Johnny after a sit down at the take with a 40 of OE. This type of animosity has only been from the outsiders, never from one within the cycling community and that is why I’m so fired up. My teammates and I have traveled the country and world racing, use to be proud to say that we were from Flagpole….Now I almost feel ashamed to be a TRUE Arizonan and have the world read this crap that happens in my state.
As gramps said, “Scott, ya can’t reason with unreasonable people, its like having an adult conversation with a Jr. High kid.” And dammit grandpa, I know you’re right, but I can’t back down, I’m just not that way, but I’m learnin a bit and part of that is if I can’t say anything nice, I better not show up at the take and make it any worse…..
Lay off the attacks and lack of better vocabulary guys…kids really do read this crap, hell wouldn’t you if you were lookin for interesting stuff online?!
I’m done. If you want to speak, look me up and send me an email. It’s not that hard.
Scott Keller
May 22nd, 2009 at 7:40 pm
“Dog Food Engineer trail (named so by who else but Dan D)”
NO! wade b. named it, and i for one must insist he get credit for naming the only well-named trail in town.
May 22nd, 2009 at 11:59 pm
Well… There was lots of beer.
Nuke Phoenix.
Just kidding. Sort of.
May 23rd, 2009 at 12:58 am
I am kinda shocked by all this. I don’t know why but I thought all these “elite” cyclists would be cooler than this. If I was in that race, I think I would be really angry. You know these guys would go insane if you messed up a race they were in. I guess they just don’t get it.
May 23rd, 2009 at 4:46 am
“pubic notice”?
May 23rd, 2009 at 7:41 am
Dude, it is cool that you stepped up and said you’re sorry. I can see where you are coming from a bit, but I don’t agree with how you went about it. Bummer that you lost your job, but stop blaming everyone else for your probs. “They” did not get you fired, you did.
Peace out and I hope better times are around the corner. Post up more hot chicks… that always seems to chill everyone out.
May 23rd, 2009 at 8:07 am
God, you guys are babies. Every race I’ve every done has been a clusterfuck and now you are in a he said-she said battle. If you want your race to be all special, hold it on a private ranch. That’s what they do in fag-tastic California. So what if someone moved a trail marker. So what if they did it on purpose. I’ve done triathlons on the “streets” with “real cars” and all that shit. I’ve even dodged cars that went around race controls and drove into competitors. You should be so blessed that a fixture of the mountain bike community deemed your race worth of tampering with. It’s like getting served a drink by Chuck Liddell (Friday 5/22, at EOS, in Santa Barbara). You’re happy that Liddell gave you a drink, who cares how it tastes. You should be happy the it was BGR and not some meddling kids.
May 23rd, 2009 at 8:20 am
I have no dog in this fight, so on with some observers thoughts.
Racers of all ilk think they are the #1 trail users once the gun
goes off. I have been a racer, volunteer, paid course worker, poacher, and the “other guy” on the trail since 1985 and have seen more rude
and flat out disrepectful from racers than I could describe. Racers need
to chill and really review their behavior once off the course.
Race directors are always overwhelmed. Those of you who have stepped
up to provide a race for the masses know this to be true. Those of you who have not don’t have a clue. That said, pre race directives are given
short shrift – THEY ARE NOT LISTENING 5 MINS. BEFORE. It is the directors
responsibility to provide a safe race course for participants and non alike. I do not believe that most race directors spend much time thinking
about impact beyond their constituents. Not a dig, just what I have seen.
From the comments it seems that ALL the locals involved knew about the race. It would be a simple task to avoid the area entirely. Flagstaff has
tons of great riding. Should you have to reroute your day for a race? No.
Dealing with a small inconvience for one day – come on.
Although the Forest Service should mediate conflict between trail users, trust me they do not distinguish between racers and non. Becareful with an ugly public issue – the typical G response may affect the trails for
everyone.
Any MBAA member that took it upon themselves to confront BGR’s boss with this should be banned for life. Keep the disputes where they belong. I do
not know any of the involved party’s and this seems like the largest affront of all. If anyone needs to stand up and apologize in public it is
that person(s). If they are board members, I would question the entire
leadership if punitive action is not taken. Come on MBAA speak up on this.
I would also like the MBAA to cite a specific instance(no names) when a racer was disiplined for trangressions against a non racer. My guess is never. Educate your racers – yes it is your job when you decided to promote events.
Good luck all. See you on the trails.
May 23rd, 2009 at 9:13 am
MBAA does educate the racers. It is the race promoters responsibility to make a safe course and MBAA does, they have no control over those who chose to make it unsafe short of catching them.
No go out and ride
May 23rd, 2009 at 1:04 pm
Cody – is there any connection between your reference to “fag-tastic” California and Chuck Liddell buying you a drink in Santa Barbara? (EOS Lounge in SB,CA I dare to assume?)
sorry…couldn’t resist…
And if Chuck Liddell punched me in the face I would not brush it off and say, ah, hell, thats ok, since it was Chuck Liddell…I should be glad it was him!
And I totally agree that anyone who took it upon themselves to contact people at work regarding a non-work related issue–let alone contacting employers–should probably not be representing the MBAA.
Maybe even hung by their genitalia as previously suggested. That was a terrible action, and in my eyes, way worse than messing with trail markers. Just when I think this whole thing couldn’t get more ridiculous.
So what was the result of the great payntake summit?
May 23rd, 2009 at 2:13 pm
No relation been Fag-tastic California & Chuck Liddell. Just that everyone outside of CA thinks it’s full of fags. Much the same way I hate Texas, I imagine.
May 23rd, 2009 at 7:27 pm
Anyone who believes that anything that happens at a bike race justifies fucking with someone’s employment situation deserves a beating.
May 23rd, 2009 at 11:27 pm
Your town? Wow. Grow up. Places change. Always. Talk about hubris…
May 24th, 2009 at 5:23 pm
not that i have a monopoly on the name – just wanna say that’s not me in the comments.
just sayin’
bacardi marty out…
May 25th, 2009 at 7:12 pm
E.L.E.
EVERYBODY LOVE EVERYBODY!
May 25th, 2009 at 9:07 pm
That’s fucked up that someone messed with your employment because of something you did not at your place of employment. I can see bad karma swinging back around for someone else. That’s just bullshit.
May 25th, 2009 at 11:32 pm
Parade pissing is a terrible tragety!
fatbob said “manifesto”…
Chill out dude… It aint the Unibomber!
May 26th, 2009 at 9:53 am
harassing people at work, resulting in their losing their jobs??
if that happened to me the MBAA would have a lot more than moved markers to deal with!
May 26th, 2009 at 11:31 am
same kinda thing happened up here in ontario… trial built by volunteers for rec riding on public land trashed by a race promoter for profit. when people complained they where black listed… fuckers
May 26th, 2009 at 2:51 pm
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-94688372859167974&ei=-mMcSrHQLqLA-AHZlLXYBA&q=twisted+sister+videos
May 26th, 2009 at 5:12 pm
now you know why whores have pimps
May 26th, 2009 at 10:39 pm
I wonder if BGR would condone auto drivers disrupting an event such as El Tour de Tucson. Those are public roads after all, and his lame arguments/excuses could all be used verbatim by drivers against any bicycling event on the road.
May 27th, 2009 at 12:58 pm
Except for the fact that automobiles are deadly! He explains his issues, then he appologizes for acting like an idiot… No one was seriously hurt by this… Let it go.
May 30th, 2009 at 9:19 pm
Randy,
email me…..Jon
June 1st, 2009 at 1:30 pm
BGR is lame not only for his actions but also for his half-assed apology. Seemed more like a rant on MBAA and racing to me.
To the rest of the people complaining about courses, public trails, and irresponsible course markings; CHILL OUT! It just a couple races per year with minimal damage and trail closures. Go ride your bike somewhere else for a change in scenery!
March 29th, 2010 at 1:38 pm
I am glad randy lost his job. What a complete douche bag. now he is in trouble over at revolutions. guess some people will never learn. help me come up with a new acronym for B.G.R. I will start with Big -gay- retard
July 15th, 2010 at 11:04 pm
I am not surprised randys cankerous whore girlfriend inspired his race day shenanigans. Randy is a petty vandal and a thief. Has any one else had there shit stolen from randy besides me and revolutions?