File this under more lame.
from: gooch
Subject: How’s your Karma?Now that the local-racing communitee knows who the individuals are, that put so much effort in to derailing the efforts of MBAA holding a local sanctioned race, persons that basically just directed their h8tr-hurt toward people they don’t even know, I would like to ask of them…, “How’s your KARMA?”, and, “Is it OK if I go riding today on YOUR TRAILS?” Puhleez!?! Cause I just really want to get out and do some more riding…!
ps. Thanks for making the race a little more challenging by sending me on that oddessy of a pre-ride… I actually liked your re-designed course, minus the hazards, and think MBAA should incorporate that design into their next race.
Kindergarten Doesn’t Pay Off For Everyone…
Forgetting those two Top Rules: Share, and Don’t Bite!
oh, and…
from: bk
For those of you who attempted to sabotage the course your efforts did not go un-noticed. We know who you are. Your childish pranks are well known about the Flagstaff community and if you think for one minute you got away with something you are sadly mistaken. The trails belong to everyone and we don’t need your blessing to ride them. Your mentality is a bit disturbing and sick. It is too bad you can’t put all of that energy into something positive.
Your Mothers obviously never taught you the value of respect and sharing. Karma really is an amazing thing.
I received multiple hater emails and texts plus a phone call indicating that my name and the names of the other four riders I was with had been given to the sheriff because of the re-routing sabotage on the MBAA course.
I had nothing to do with it except being in the wrong place at the wrong time which was compounded by the hearsay of chuckle-heads that don’t know what they saw.
I headed out with friends on a ride yesterday simple as that. Although the intention was to ride north of the Peaks and explore some of the new AZT, our initial route through the Fort Valley trail system merged with the MBAA event. I cheered on old friends as they rode by. I laughed at a couple of ping’n competitors. I thought it was fine. HOWEVER, a few of those who I was with, no longer hip to the racing experience had the all too typical agro-racer (TRACK!!! TRACK!!!) altercation on course. Upon that, they started tearing shit down, and revising the route and at that exact point, I bailed citing overall lameness.
I was headed toward home not even an hour after I started the day.
I followed the race course back to the top of moto (chimney springs), found Rib Steak and Fig sipping beers and joined in. We cheered the pro/expert group as they flew by. I caught a rare Tad sighting complete with DC colors. I had three beers and while there, competitors on the course would pass mentioning something about a lanky dude with drop bars, f-ing up the course.
I rolled down hill from there. I ran into Damit Janet at a turn and chilled once again there. I watched and heckled Scooby as he finised his 3rd lap on the SS.
Then I got a call later that afternoon. Apparently the Sheriff was called. My name and the name of four others were leaked as the culprits. This was not the case.
Bottom line: I like what the MBAA does and I like who they are, just as I am appreciative of the FBO or even the IMBA. They work hard to advocate bicycles and while this doesn’t fall in line with Bro’s, it’s about bikes and in that, it is a good thing.
Others however, are not so appreciative of good deads done by others, or being accosted on the trail by people with number plates. Even if it’s only a few times per year. While I let it slide knowing full well that it’s just a day of competition, others are not so passive. I was with these people when the incident on Saturday occured. I bailed exactly as it was happening. I’m sure the self righteous will tell me that I should have been Jesus, and preaced the peace & love routine, but I said fuck it instead, and left. The monkey wrenching from earlier in the week howver, I have no knowledge of except from what the MBAA reported.
MBAA does much for the cycling community. They do it through racing, trail work and otherwise. They reside primarily in Phoenix. They are all good people who I hang with when I can at events like the Squealer. Hell, I was even on the board of the MBAA in 05. Every year, I think about stepping back into the racing ring as well. I have SOOOO many better things to do than hassle the MBAA off-road experience.
Although I didn’t do it, my appologies go to the MBAA for the actions of others.
May 17th, 2009 at 11:17 am
Real Lame Randy…
May 17th, 2009 at 11:18 am
no apologies needed from you DH…You were supportin the race at the top of MOtto the whole time I was out there chasin Andy round that course. And for those “locals” who think they were doin the right thing…if you really think these are “your” trails, why don’t you show up at crusier nation and show “us racers” how to ride!!? Seeya High Noon eh?!
May 17th, 2009 at 12:14 pm
Personally I see racing as a testosterone (or progesterone) charged pissing contest and wouldn’t join a race if the winner got a night with Jenna Jameson. That being said I recognize what racing has done for the sport (where would we be without all of the cool race-inspired gadgets that we load our bikes up with) Putting that aside, Unless you happen to hold the pink slip for the property on which the trails are built then you don’t own them! This goes for racers and locals alike. Locals, dig your heads out of your ass and recognize that folks that are most likely better riders than you are out making a few bones and promoting our sport. Racers, or more specifically race promoters need to be aware that the locals that built and maintain the trails should have some input too. At least a modicum of respect should be issued because without their hard work for the other 364 days out of the year you wouldn’t have a trail to race on. Get the whole crew in on things and you will probably avoid a visit from the pre-pubescent fuck-up fairies!!!!
May 17th, 2009 at 12:27 pm
Funny you mention cruiser nation… There is a direct connection between cruiser nation and pulling down course markings. As in you have seen all of these men at cruiser nation already. And more than once.
First, please remember our dear Gnome was once one of the board members of the MBAA. Or, maybe I’ve got the title screwed up. He could have been called something “competition director”. I dunno. Either way, not only has the man raced in MBAA events (and won several), he volunteered and spent time on the other side of things helping put the races together.
As for the other three man who were allegedly present and actively working to injure the event in various ways (and that’s what we’re talking about here – an injury to the event), each was a former top level racer. Professional. State Champion. Mountain Bike Hall of famer. I hope what I am hearing is completely and totally inaccurate, for if it is not… it is deeply upsetting. I know each of these guys. They each know me.
I also know many, if not all, of the people with the MBAA who put this thing together.
I don’t pretend to understand any of this…
May 17th, 2009 at 12:44 pm
I forgot to mention in my previous comment that I too have been wrapped up in this. I got an email stating as much from someone in the “know”.
Me.
I live in fucking Phoenix. I haven’t been near a bike race in over a year. I wasn’t within a 150 miles of that train wreck.
And my name came up too.
I wanted to make sure people know how much I really don’t appreciate being dragged in to their mess. Don’t make me explain myself. Don’t make me defend myself. Don’t make my friends question me. Just leave me the fuck out of it.
Ok, rant over. Back to watching the Lakers tune up the Rockets…
May 17th, 2009 at 4:10 pm
sounds like the douche bags here S.H.A.R.E. who take it upon themselves to re design singletrack with out clearing it with park officials and warning the public. We have had many injuries with riders going over the bars on a trail they were familiar with because it was altered with no thought other than chest beating by army core of engineer wanabees who think they are the county trail police
May 17th, 2009 at 7:22 pm
Dan D seemed on surly hippy mode when I ran into you all at the end of my tour and the start of yours’. Dan is fun but he sometimes lacks respect. Did I notice that he had a chip in his tooth? Wonder how he got that? That dude tried to sabotage one of my free no-number-plate races one year. Fun guy but he has no respect for many people. To bad.
May 17th, 2009 at 7:35 pm
Shame that had to go down that way.
Gnome – you bailed, at least that is setting a good example, and probably about the best thing you could have done. Be nice to think you could have lectured them and made everyone back off but most reasonable people know things usually don’t work out that way. Sometimes our best friends do assholic things.
interesting note on cruiser nation too…
May 17th, 2009 at 8:59 pm
Did those who messed with the course markings did you ever think that there were children out the course? Yes, some did get lost.
Also I know of at least 30 MBAA members from Flagstaff.
May 17th, 2009 at 9:53 pm
Big Jonny, Don’t know you and don’t really feel I need to apologize but I made an off the cuff comment to a race official that could have dragged you into this, if that comment drug you into this then for that I appologize.
During the MBAA race I was hanging at pipeline with a few friends and was later joined by DH from this site. After people on course had identified Dan Diaz, RM, and a few others, Dave mentioned he had seen this happening, thought it was lame and wanted no part of it and bailed, I respect that.
Post race when the names came up, I said ask the guy from Drunkcyclist he saw them. This was never meant to implicate Dave or DC had anything to do with the actions of a few, just simply that this person had witnessed the action.
That said, I have never quite understood the mentality of those who will risk injuring others to get their point across (for any cause). Its bad enough they go out of their way to alter the work of others (course marking changes etc…) but when they place rocks, logs, etc… in blind corners with the intent to injure, that bothers me. (I have personally been a victim of those types of antics). In my opinion those responsible when caught should be called out and ridiculed within their local community.
Myself, my friends, my wife and my children ride these trails frequently and I take it personally when so called locals who supposedly represent the cycling community will endanger or risk injury of fellow cyclist (or anyone for that matter) to make a point.
What’s the purpose, what do they gain, why do racers using “your trails” a few times a year bother you so much? Hell, they are not even trails you like to ride. I know you don’t want to be bothered or hassled when out riding your favorite illegal social trail, so why such an effort to bother others who are simply out for the same good time you seek?
I have no problem with those who want to protest the activities and actions of others, but have some sack and show up in person to make your point. But to sneak around vandalizing the course in an attempt to injure and ruin the day of others is pretty lame and shows your true character.
If that’s how they want to play then f*&k em and let the community know who they are, they should be called out. Other than DD, I was very surprised to learn those supposedly responsible are racers or former racers themselves and will assume it was a one off out of character deal. I would hope they would show the same respect towards other racers as they would expect when they are racing. Dan D on the other hand is a poop stain this town can’t seem to wash out and his involvement is no surprise.
That’s it.
Fig
May 17th, 2009 at 11:27 pm
I am very saddened hear that the man who designed my son’s bike and mine may have been involved in these cowardly acts. We own 3 bikes designed by this man and I did have a Voodoo Cycles sticker in my rear window. My son was racing this event on a Voodoo Sobo desgined by Joe Murray and to hear that he may be one of the people involved really angers me! If it is true, I have lost all respect for him and the people involved.
May 18th, 2009 at 12:29 am
…wow…so, allegedly joe murray was involved in endangering cyclists in a race ???…
…if so, then joe, in the name of “protecting” something you must love, you’ve obviously lost a real sense of perspective…
…i’m gonna stick w/ my bgw handle here joe but we do know each other from early days in marin & i’ll tell ya, man, after always having a huge amount of respect for you as both a bike racer & a sound minded human being, right now i’m kinda sickened to read about this…
…i’m not even gonna try n’ castigate you & your accomplices, joe but how disappointing to hear your name being involved…how seriously fucking disappointing…
…wow…
May 18th, 2009 at 4:42 am
Sounds like classic territoriality, brought to you by tree pissing cavemen everywhere. We have our own version at the Human Powered Trails here in Wisconsin. If you dont shop at a specific LBS, and go to the right meetings, trail goons verbally harass, leave notes on cars, and generally create an elitist shitty atmosphere. Fuck em. They are the type A personality that will never know a quite moment of inner peace, and will sit up suddenly in bed at 1am in the throws of a stress induced heart attack. Again, I say fuck em.
May 18th, 2009 at 7:14 am
That was a beautiful weekend on the Trails of Flagstaff. I logged over 10 hours in the woods, and never even spotted one of those Trail Terrorists or yet worse on of those MBAA Racers, I understand that they are spreading rabies or maybe that is another story….
We love our trails and do not want them to be molested by 1000’s of tires, but I understand it is open to everyone. No bid deal. When using more senstive trails like Little Bear which has been getting a face lift by CREC for the last two summers and then having it torn up will be quite a bummer. The next MBAA course that is scheduled for June is planning on using this very trail. I was planning on having a table set up in Buffalo Park asking for donations for Trail Maintanence or maybe asking MBAA to donate some of the funds towards that. It is not easy taking care of this place and takes a lot of time and effort. Happy trails. Gitty
May 18th, 2009 at 7:23 am
gitty- How bout MBAA donating over 4hrs/person/race calendar year to trail work, much of us who complete this on the very trails of flag, including little bear…..SO, any other complaints? Cause I dunno how much trail work you can crank out in a year, but it damn sure ain’t worth over 200 people bein out all over the state of AZ puttin in there 4 hours +. So, please, set up your table, offer me a feed and say thanks for keepin your trail maintained! Thousands of tires….more like 400 max as this is what we draw to our races since most of the riders out there can’t sack up and toe the line anymore.
May 18th, 2009 at 8:09 am
no racer has the right to yell “TRACK” at someone using a public trial
May 18th, 2009 at 8:28 am
First, I think if anyone from a ‘respectable’ bike manu was involved in this, I’d sell all my bikes from said manu, and make sure there was NO MENTION of them on my website. (Seriously… they are no better than the Sierra Club types if they engage in these kind of tactics…)
Second, racing happens. I’m more or less not involved in that shit. I’m too fat, too slow and love the beer waaaay too much. Never gonna happen unless they have a race for DFL. Then I’m your guy. As for it being unfortunate, well, it happens once in a rare while. No need to be a dick about it. If its 3 times a year, you still have 362 days to ride. If you’re not man enough to ride year-round, then it STILL leaves you what… 100+ days to ride…? suck it up and let the racer-boys have their fun.
Everyone is a local somewhere, just like everyone isn’t a local somewhere. If it’s about something as trivial as ‘I’m a local, and you’re not… You’re fucking up my trails…” Then don’t EVER bother riding in another city; state or even country. SSWC? forget it jackass… you’re not a local. Go the fuck home, Fred.
And lastly :
May 18th, 2009 at 9:44 am
damn
cyclist v cyclist
reminds me of northern ireland
christians v christians
May 18th, 2009 at 9:45 am
Maybe it’s just me – I certainly don’t know about every little thing that goes on in the bike communities in Tucson and Flag, but it really seems like petty localist bullshit happens way, WAY more in Flag than it does here [in Tucson]. When I started mountain biking in Tucson, I expected to be treated like an outsider on “other people’s” trails. I wasn’t… in fact I was welcomed with open arms and offered beers in trail-head parking lots by complete strangers. Almost everyone stops here to make sure I have the tools to fix my flats/mechanical problems. People offer water when I look like death. All the little things that people in small communities do for each other – they happen here, just like they happen in every bike community… however that’s ALL I EVER experience in Tucson – people looking out for each other. I’m sure people usually look out for each other in Flag, but it sounds like there’s also a high concentration of total fucking douche bags up there who don’t know how to share and don’t know that trails aren’t necessarily THEIRS to decide who it’s shared with. I can’t say for certain what will always happen, but I would think that if a race came to a local favorite in Tucson, like TMP for example, the locals would be proud that racers are on the same trails they ride every day. I know the road is different considering bike tires hardly affect its form, but even roadies love it when pros show up at their local rides (Shootout for example) and smoke people. They appreciate racers and even just the opportunity to ride with them.
Anyways, I think the point I’m trying to make is that I used to REALLY want to live in Flagstaff. I’ve only been once – two years ago – and I fell in love with it right away. This kind of shit, however, makes me think Flag isn’t for me. I’m sure most of the riders there are just as cool as the ones here, but right now it sounds like there are too many selfish douchebags up there who can’t handle taking care of business like a fucking man.
For the record, Gnome, I respect your decision to bounce as opposed to playing Jesus like most people would have liked. Maybe it was your responsibility to stop them, maybe it wasn’t – I don’t really think that matters considering you removed yourself from the hijinx. If a group of grown men are going to pull some cry-baby bullshit that stupid, I don’t think even a friend could really stop them.
May 18th, 2009 at 9:52 am
Rhys = Win.
May 18th, 2009 at 9:54 am
Perspective…
Galactic Center of Milky Way Rises over Texas Star Party from William Castleman on Vimeo.
May 18th, 2009 at 9:55 am
the hight of lameness……there are soooooo many more creative things to do. Steve Garro, Coconino Cycles.
May 18th, 2009 at 9:55 am
I love when the Hippicrit’s (what I do is all good, but what you do is not, unless I do it to) come to town (anytown), claim stake and are going to fix everything just for them. I have only been riding these trails for 20 yrs, long before they were abused and overused and every trail in the Elden trail system was virgin and Secret was actually secret. 20 yrs later I love showing off our great town and riding areas to anyone who wants to see them and will continue to do so.
I am sure those riding these trails 20 yrs before I started hate guys like me, ruining their stuff.
Do I care, no. Life’s to short (I have maybe 20-30 good years left if I’m lucky) and I am not going to waste them being bitter and angry at everyone I do not agree with. I have done my share of trail building (legit and not legit), trail maintenance, and garbage removal (from those I believe do not live here), and still have never felt the need to hate or fuck with any other trail users. But whatever, I am not here to convince anyone of anything. Just doing my thing.
True story and its so typical of the Hippicrit mentality in this town, a friend of mine who has lived here his entire life is driving is 90+ year old Grandpa to a restaurant for his Birthday. He gets into an altercation with another driver on Milton, that driver follows him to the Restaurant climbs out of his Subaru and starts yelling. “I have been in this town for 10 yrs and its guys like you who are ruining it”. My friend says “oh ya, I have been here for 38 yrs and he (pointing at his grandpa) has been here since 1932, what do you think of that jackass).
I love that story because its true and so typical of the mentality of many in this town. Get over it.
This whole deal is way blown out and such a joke. But reading through here though I am stoked to learn why myself and my family races. I thought it was solely for the money, fame and glory!, never even thought is was to feed my testosterone and pogesterone addictions. Sweet, another bonus.
Anyway, I am over it but will do my part to protect our right to ride (all of us).
Love
Fig
May 18th, 2009 at 10:21 am
Oh yeah – Bikepunk, I meant to mention that it couldn’t be put any better than how you did: everyone is a local and not a local somewhere else.
I also feel like I should apologize for speaking out of emotion. I posted my comment in anger right after reading the story and all the other comments. If it sounds like I’m talking shit about Flag in general, I don’t mean it that way. If anything, I think one of the reasons Flag might have a problem with locals acting proprietary over the trails is because Flagstaff is fucking gorgeous and they must be proud of the beautiful place they live in and its amazing network of trails. Not that that vindicates sabotaging a race, but I kind of see how people would want to keep the place a secret.
Fig – that story is hilarious. It’s a shame that kind of thing happens there, but it’s funny how that worked out.
May 18th, 2009 at 10:23 am
There’s money, fame and glory in MTB racing in Flagstaff?! Where do I sign up?
…all I’ve ever gotten ’round here (UT) was high….
May 18th, 2009 at 10:27 am
I rode twenty eight miles of gravel on Friday and I saw zero human beings. I did see doves, quail, turkeys, steller’s jays, red winf blackbirds, redtail hawks, bald eagles, deer and various four-footed furry varmints. That’s the way I like my MTB. Keep the rubber side down, y’all.
May 18th, 2009 at 10:27 am
this probably isn’t the right place to post this, but…did you guys catch wind of this little tidbit? (courtesy of cyclingnooze)
Giro d’Italia race director Angelo Zomegnan sayzzzzzzz, “This circuit required explosive bursts. It required riders to get their butts up off the seats of their bikes, and some riders who are not so young anymore apparently don’t feel like doing that,” Zomegnan told the Associated Press. “Instead, it seems like their legs have become shorter and their tongues longer.”
When asked if he was referring to Lance Armstrong, Zomegnan refused to specifically name the rider who the race had invested so heavily in attracting as the culprit. “I never name people who have disappointed me, just like I don’t name girlfriends that have snubbed me.”"
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
May 18th, 2009 at 10:36 am
Earth owns you. you dont own Earth. If you want a virgin trail (all you who fucked with the race) stop riding a bicycle first, second strip down and walk into the woods bare foot as far as you can go. see how long you last when left on a virgin trail. reality is all bicycles are as frivolous as a new gucci purse. ( Unless its your only means of transportation.) so for you to claim through your actions a moral high ground over those who race is like not talking to the girl in high school who has a target purse. if any thing is pure about a bicycle it is what you can do on it. how fast you can go how fit you can make your self by breaking yourself down and rebuilding. PS shultzenheimer fuck you, you’re wrong, slow, confused, and a touch bitter.
May 18th, 2009 at 10:38 am
OK it was me protesting the lack of a clydesdale division.
fat people need to race too
homos
May 18th, 2009 at 11:13 am
Dan D on the other hand is a poop stain this town can’t seem to wash out and his involvement is no surprise.
That’s it.
Fig
right on, Fig. i’m with ya. Steve.
May 18th, 2009 at 11:28 am
“Say it aint so, Joe!”
This sounds like some shit that equestrians in Marin county would pull… Totally fucked!
May 18th, 2009 at 11:38 am
2 cents:
Have raced for 16 years, there is a better way to clear a trail than “TRACK, TRACK ” Try saying excuse me….or “race coming through”…
Having said that it is clear that the word TRACK pissed off the grizzled ” the older I get, the faster I was ” set. Take the testosterone patch off your taint… all those who changed the trail markers and tried to make the race a dumpster fire knew there was a race before they showed up at the trail and then willingly did that shit.
Grow a pair of nuts.
I have kids, and I know Marty’s kid and when you get a kid lost that is TOTAL BULLSHIT and weak. Not to mention that is the future of the sport, way to piss off your clientele.
What is the Voodoo word for douche bag?
May 18th, 2009 at 11:51 am
So things went wrong. Nobody got hurt. Where’s the tolerance? I’m sure we preach that to the children.
Yea, the kids going off course does suck and I would be pissed if it was my son too, but everything is ok now and I doubt this kind of deal will occur again.
Otherwise ya’ll need to cool your blame-jets.
May 18th, 2009 at 12:18 pm
FUCK Y(OU)EAH!!!!!!
the best.
May 18th, 2009 at 12:32 pm
I live in California and have been fortunate enough to make it out to Flagstaff a few times over the last 10 yrs to ride. I loved the Elden trail network and everyone I met on the trail and later at the pubs were great people. Hopefully this in an isolated event and Flag will continue to be a fun place to visit and ride. There’s enough localism taking place in the Pacific Ocean, we don’t need it in the mountains as well. Take a deep breath.
May 18th, 2009 at 12:36 pm
…truth is, gnomer, without all the blame-jets, the serious backlash, maybe, just maybe certain folks would assume that the “bad voodoo” should happen again next time…
…now, maybe not so much…
…& flanders…that is fucking gospel, dude…we, as early mtb-ers here in marin used to encounter that type of underhanded trails protest from hikers & equestrians & yes, ’sierra clubbers’ & it made you wonder about the sensibilities of these ‘responsible’ folks…my, my…hasn’t it come full circle ???…
…&& humpty…i fully (100%) agree w/ your assessment of the situation, especially from guys who should know better but damn…“Take the testosterone patch off your taint”…dude, thanks for the info…i hadn’t though of that…i’ll be on that like i’m on a clammy chamois…
May 18th, 2009 at 12:59 pm
…& mikey…THAT is what it’s really all about, so props for the reminder…
…you can be focused, charged up & riding hard but totally aware of the beauty that surrounds you at the same time…one of the real attractions of cycling…
May 18th, 2009 at 1:35 pm
oh the drama.
i get the protectiveness of local trails & especially of those that one has participated in the creation of…
but it sounds like some are loosing sight of the fact that it’s public land. when you cut a trail in the national forest you do it for everyone. whether you did it w/ permission or not. i for one appreciate it. and if you can’t appreciate my appreciation for your efforts, that’s your loss.
i live off TR100 in Phx and have worked to make a few sections of the trail behind my home more enjoyable for all.
whether you like it or not, i’ve been coming up there for 11+ years on the regular and i’m going to continue to come up to Flag and enjoy the great public lands that have been set aside for us all to enjoy. then i’m going to make my way to the great downtown and embibe for the evening, pouring my hard earned money into your local economy, doing my part to keep little guys in business up there.
peace
May 18th, 2009 at 2:20 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tgiR04ey7-M
May 18th, 2009 at 2:21 pm
In case nobody remembers, this same shit happened last year, sending the marathon riders out into an all day clusterfuck. They seem to have taken it up a notch this year, and gotten down right confrontational. Next year I predict an all out brawl, the locals wearing the coveralls and carrying pitchforks.
Glad I’m not on the Board anymore. Feel sorry for Janet and the others who worked so hard only to bit shat upon by people that they know.
Lack of Access. Amongst the reasons why mountain bike racing is fading into the sunset…
If someone confirms that Murray was involved, I’ll be burning my Voodoo jersey…right after I wipe my ass with it.
May 18th, 2009 at 3:07 pm
…gnomer…might be time to ask some of the gentlemen involved to state their case…
…they can do it here & not even have to ‘name’ themselves…
…it’s already ugly, so maybe there are misconceptions that can be addressed &/or cleared up…
…if ya got the huevos ta do it, guys, have the huevos to address it…
May 18th, 2009 at 3:26 pm
I’m all for regular and disorganized sabotage of the Man.
May 18th, 2009 at 3:42 pm
Word, Gordon. Let mayhem ensue…
May 18th, 2009 at 4:00 pm
Look you can get a 1994 Mountain Bike Magazine with the Trail Terrorist on the cover.
http://sophiesophieshops.ecrater.com/product.php?pid=1068799
Garro Said “Dan D on the other hand is a poop stain this town can’t seem to wash out” That is funny shit dude!
May 18th, 2009 at 4:12 pm
Sirs and Madams–
As an “Advocate” level supporter of The Wilderness Society (www.wilderness.org) I must gleefully support the characterization of the Sierra Club as world-class idiots. At least Greenpeace knows they’re idiots.
Mikey
May 18th, 2009 at 7:53 pm
lame. that’s it.
too much smoke, not enough chill.
May 18th, 2009 at 8:02 pm
I guess I will put in my two cents. I was riding on the course this weekend with friends and I wasn’t racing. We ran into a group of riders with road bike looking bars and I can only assume it was the group of people that made this mess. At the time we were riding up hill on single track. Not only did they not try to move over for us, but they stood in the middle of the trail and we all had to get off our bikes and go around them. Later we spoke about how strange that experience was. It now makes sense that they were a bunch of assholes and we should have dropped them like we wanted to in the first place.
Next time it will not be so pretty.
May 18th, 2009 at 8:20 pm
Gnome, You appear to let tolerance degenerate into indiferrence (stole that from someone).
I’m sorry to hear it would have to be your son or daughter for this to be a problem worthy of placing blame for, that is indiferrence.
Also we are not talking about children behaving harmfully but grown adults.
Related to harmful behavior at least one person road the course in reverse and did not give the right of way to uphill riders. Sounds like he was one of the same guys who complained about people yelling track.
May 18th, 2009 at 8:21 pm
Mountain Bike Hall of Famer?? WHAT????
If you truly know what is important to the sport how could you possibly let others attempt to ruin a race?
It takes a big man to admit wrong doing. It takes a weasel to not do something about it. Let me quote you: “First of all I’m not going to rat out anyone. Someone said I was part of the “guilty” group. I witnessed the “vandalism” as some would call it. Should I have done something? No we live in a free society one would hope.”
Free society does not mean to cause potential harm to someone. Nor does free society mean it is ok to stand by and watch someone else do it without stopping it. Lastly free society does not mean to break the law: Please review below:
TITLE 36–PARKS, FORESTS, AND PUBLIC PROPERTY
CHAPTER II–FOREST SERVICE, DEPARTMENT OF AGRICULTURE
PART 261_PROHIBITIONS–Table of Contents
Subpart A_General Prohibitions
Sec. 261.12 National Forest System roads and trails.
The following are prohibited:
(c) Damaging and leaving in a damaged condition any such road,
trail, or segment thereof.
(d) Blocking, restricting, or otherwise interfering with the use of
a road, trail, or gate.
You are a grown man acting very childish. Not a good example for a Hall of Famer. What a waste of talent. Apparently honesty, responsibility and respect for others weren’t requisites for getting into the hall of fame. And if they were, what happened as you certainly are not demonstrating those qualities now.
I do want to thank-you however; you did accomplish something positive; the biking communities in Arizona just grew stronger.
May 18th, 2009 at 9:34 pm
….” If you truly know what is important to the sport how could you possibly let others attempt to ruin a race?” wtf a race? looks like it was a race against retro time advancement. perhaps it’s da elevation that makes kleenixbikeriders so utterly lame.again, plz stay off da rim. if kleenix boys so charged, move on up to the high life….
May 18th, 2009 at 11:34 pm
…feature interview: dirt “legend” Joe Murray, designer of voodoo cycles & designer & builder of sendero cycles on bikeradar.com…
…br: “What was it like being one of the first to be inducted into the Mountain Bike Hall of Fame?”
…jm: “Pretty awesome, of course. I was only 22, so it was a bit overwhelming for me. I’ve never been good at dealing with whatever level of fame I’ve had.”…
…well, joe murray, if you weren’t actually involved in the recent race sabotage , i’m sure that would’ve come to light immediately so you’ve got some new found “fame” that needs owning up to & some serious explaining…i don’t think you or any of your cohorts need prosecuting but every one of you oughta “man the fuck up”…
…this is cycling community shit & your actions are nefarious, selfish, amateur & potentially dangerous…stop being a bitch, dude & address it…
…you may have worked & raced hard, joe but your “fame” brought you the opportunity to ride more than the everyday “joe’s” out there & this is how you show your gratitude ???…you & your exclusive little clique sabotage the efforts of others & do it in a way that might actually endanger human lives ???…wtf ???…
…‘purpose built bikes for people with a purpose’, designed by Joe Murray…so what the fuck exactly is your purpose, joe…just how exclusive do you want “your kind” of cycling to be, dude ???…enough to hurt other folks ???…
…as an old marin county guy who was riding mtb’s well before you ever raced your first race at “zero’s notch” i was originally disappointed in you when i read the news…now i’m basically disgusted…
…sad, joe, what you’ve sunk to…very fucking sad…
May 18th, 2009 at 11:41 pm
…& for anybody who cares, i was a designer for fisher mtb’s…joe murray earned his initial fame racing for our company…& he was a very different young man than what he’s become…
…that is why this bothers me so much…
May 18th, 2009 at 11:50 pm
Got to be honest, we’ve had this kind of shit happen in New Zealand but it’s NEVER been by another cyclist. If the offenders had been identified like these appear to have been, they would have had the living shit beaten out of them, (with no witnesses), as a reminder not to do it again.
And to play nicely with others.
May 19th, 2009 at 12:53 am
And yes, if Joe Murray is indeed guilty, I’d say that his Hall of Fame position is pretty under threat
May 19th, 2009 at 4:05 am
Well there you have it ladies and gentlemen, the prosecution has laid their case. Next up, the accused will get their chance to plead their case. But first, these commercial messages from the taiwanese bicycle industry……..
May 19th, 2009 at 4:35 am
nice bit of anarchy anyway. what part of sending your children off into the woods unmonitored and on a bike sounds like a safe proposition?
fuck you davis, you classless P.O.Shit.
May 19th, 2009 at 4:40 am
i think all this hatin’ on each other is ’cause we don’t have george bush to kick around anymore…
May 19th, 2009 at 5:19 am
shultzenheimer. i mistook you as one of the ones causing the trouble. i apologize.
May 19th, 2009 at 8:11 am
Here’s what can be deduced from the above banter:
1)people on this site are way too quick to (pre)judge and stereotype.
2)The angst, insecurity, and lack of perspective of the phx/racer/gu-eating contingent are very close to the surface and easily exposed.
3)There is a profound lack of respect on behalf of said contingent.
4)As the old adage goes, “don’t PHX FLG”.
5)The behavior of hostile locals can at times be immature and inconsiderate.
6)The flippant actions of an individual while in the presence of others have been made unnecessarily obtuse.
7)When peoples’ kids are involved (in this case smarty marty’s voodoo riding offspring) emotions and temper overshadow reason and deliberation; the expansion of conflict ensues and the divide widens.
9)Arizona north of the Mogollon Rim should secede and form the new state of Ponderosa.
May 19th, 2009 at 8:26 am
Georgie, you add nothing yet say so much.
May 19th, 2009 at 8:58 am
i’ve been thinking about this………when a crazy old man tries to hurt people by putting obsticles in the trail people want to string him up & put him in prison {JD Proveda} when some MTB’ers do it, everyone wants to sweep it under the rug. just food for thought. i personally can’t see JM, the Gnome or BGR doing this, but what the fuck do i know. i hope not. i HAVE *personally* seen Dan Diaz rolling boulders into a public trail with the specific intent to fuck it up with no regard for other’s safety {rocky ridge trail, 96′-97′?} with the entire Coconino Natl’ Forest to enjoy, why bother with this kinda thing? and, FUCK the Flag vs. Phoenix crap. that is WEAK. hide behind an avatar if you want & spew BS, but it’s public land. enjoy it. keep the ad-lib “landscaping” for your *private* yard. Steve Garro, Coconino Cycles.
May 19th, 2009 at 9:18 am
If I’ve learned one lesson in my past it’s that once your name is given to the police its best to keep you mouth shut. But this has gone way to far. And I want to bring some facts forward.
In no way was Joe Murry involved in any changing of the MBAA course or moving of rocks, trees, ect. The fact that any of you would accuse him just shows that you don’t know him.
I have personally shared my views on a MBAA race being run on one of the most congested multi-user trails in Flagstaff with Joe. He in no way shows my distaste for it , and in general seems to not mind and could care less. Even if he did object, to think he would do something like this is crazy.
Joe was just leading a ride to Bismark lake, went out of his way to avoid the race all together, and is now being slandered on the internet based only on being seen in the area. Joe was nice enough to show us a cool route , and when the group of riders fell apart, he was kind enough to wait a long time around friedland prairie for riders that fell behind, turned around, or took other routes. I can’t think of a person less likely to do the things you have accused him of.
There seem to be very few facts present here
1. There were markers and logs moved around the MBAA race course.
2. Four people were seen riding the coarse backwards. And later identified.
Everything else is hearsay and speculation. So I’m hear to present another fact.
3. Joe Murry had nothing to do with it.
As for myself. I will say that when riding up the trail I came across a frantic woman who stopped yelling at her cell phone to TELL me to help her move a gate that she said was placed across the trail I declined and continued my ride.
We can all speculate and guess as to what happened, by who and to what extent. But one thing that is clear is that many people have slandered the good name of Joe Murry and also slandered the names of others, based only on them being seen in the area.
Sorry I couldn’t have commented earlier, Ive been out riding the last couple days.
Randy
May 19th, 2009 at 10:00 am
To all ………… Open bag . Pull out huge nugget . Place nug inside pipe . Think about killer ride . Press thumb down on lighter . Suck on pipe . Inhale . Taste , admire , exhale . Repeat if nessesary . Get on bike . Turn cranks until forward movement is achieved . Continue . Fuck everything else ……….
May 19th, 2009 at 10:28 am
It’s time to forgive people. Let’s all take a breath, step back and reflect on what we can learn from this incident and the ensuing dialogue, then celebrate what we have in common: Love of Bicycles. Let’s climb out of this chasm of hatred and intolerance that has been created. We are human, and by nature, not perfect. It takes courage for one to admit that you made a mistake. And even more courage to forgive. We missed the chance to have a dialogue before things got out of hand. So before we start throwing people under the bus, including heroes of mine on both sides of the issue, let’s apologize to one another and accept that mistakes might have been made not only by protesters, but possibly by the race organizers and permit granters alike. Perhaps the MBAA and the Forest Service did not provide an adequate forum for the public to discuss their concerns over the use of particular trails well in advance of the race. Learn from that and have the discussions now-it’s never to late to tear down walls and build bridges. Let the protesters (the real ones, not the slandered, non-involved) man-up and say “I’m sorry.” Forgive them. And, if it’s the case, apologize to them for not making an effort to include them in a discussion, recognizing that perhaps not everyone supports bike racing. When we share what we love, we all become more human.
Seeing my friends fighting has brought tears and inner turbulence that is unbearable. I just want to ride my bike, with all of you. Garro is a wise man: there are more creative things we can do, happier pursuits. Let’s try.
May 19th, 2009 at 10:36 am
“Yes, fuck it. That’s your answer to everything, isn’t it? Tattoo it on your forehead… The bums will always lose… Do you hear me Lebowski?… The bums will always lose!”
May 19th, 2009 at 10:44 am
One time Garro was partially responsible for me throwing up into my hands, and then the next day was so hungover I couldn’t figure out how to get the picture on the TV so I layed on the floor and listened to ‘Raising Arizona’ in it’s entirety.
Another time he bet me I couldn’t hit the train station with a shaker of cheese from Alpine, and a tourist picked a fight with me because if it.
I also lost my Arnettes after rubbing one out in the woods.
Flagstaff never treated me well.
May 19th, 2009 at 10:49 am
Steve Garro- right on man. Keep the rubber side down.
May 19th, 2009 at 10:54 am
Salad Days. Raising Arizona is the greatest movie of all time.
May 19th, 2009 at 11:19 am
Gnome, you are a piece of shit and an asshole. You should be run out of town forever and killed. Raising Arizona is NOT the greatest movie of all time, dick. La Femme Nikita is. Jeezus.
(Let’s see if this works . . . )
May 19th, 2009 at 11:19 am
I thought The Breakfast Club was the greatest movie of all time?
May 19th, 2009 at 11:41 am
I’m no asshole. I’m no piece of shit.
Nathan Jr?
Salad Days?
“I’m talk’n bout wife swapp’n!”
I’ll be tak’n these Huggies and any cash ya got…
You have no idea.
May 19th, 2009 at 11:43 am
Big Lebowski!…. Bitches!
May 19th, 2009 at 11:47 am
Arguable. Very Arguable.
May 19th, 2009 at 11:49 am
…if you speak the truth bgr/randy mason then i wish to be the first to apologize here to joe murray for having called him on this…it would do my heart good to know that joe is still the extremely good natured human being i recall from our marin county days…
…& i will take the time to go to his website & apologize there also as i’m sure joe has been made aware of all the hoopla…
…beyond that, this incident can’t be swept under the rug w/ a lotta “let peace n’ love reign” until the truth comes out…nobody needs to be prosecuted but some real perspective needs to be gleaned…
…but it sounds like you guys have been pissing in each others beer down that way for a while now…
May 19th, 2009 at 11:51 am
Breakfast Club? Give me a fuckin break! La Femme Nikita? Don’t think so… AT least Raising Arizona belongs in this argument, but I gotta stick with the Dude!
May 19th, 2009 at 11:56 am
La Femme Nikita over Raising Arizona on my list.
May 19th, 2009 at 11:58 am
Fuck you Jonny.
Why does everyone suck?
May 19th, 2009 at 12:01 pm
its been a while but after the past few days reading here is is time for the gay test again. post it up jonny
BH. 48%
May 19th, 2009 at 12:06 pm
I agree with “bikesgonewild”! I really hope it was not Joe! Sounds like he may have been thrown under the bus on this one. It should not just be ignored though, and whoever IS responsible should come out and clear Joe’s name, as well as giving some explanation of what his fucking problem is. If you don’t want to play nice with others, maybe you shouldn’t live in a city? Perhaps a Ted Kaczynski shack in the middle of nowhere would be better suited for you?!?! I don’t think this needs to go to a courtroom, but some community service would probably be a good way to make up for your childish behavior!
May 19th, 2009 at 12:15 pm
back in the day when i was in the navy.
that sort of behavior (vandalism, theft etc.)
usually called for a celebration, a party if you may…….
a blanket party !!!………..
May 19th, 2009 at 12:28 pm
One time Garro was partially responsible for me throwing up into my hands, and then the next day was so hungover I couldn’t figure out how to get the picture on the TV so I layed on the floor and listened to ‘Raising Arizona’ in it’s entirety.
Another time he bet me I couldn’t hit the train station with a shaker of cheese from Alpine, and a tourist picked a fight with me because if it.
I also lost my Arnettes after rubbing one out in the woods.
Flagstaff never treated me well.- Stevil…… Not True! the tourist picked the fight with you because he was hit by a beer-soaked napkin from the….. well, beer soaked napkin fight on the porch, which actually *managed to hit him through his car window while he drove by!* then, you tried to blame it on the other guy on the porch – Smithers. that was THE SALAD DAYS. Garro.
May 19th, 2009 at 1:24 pm
so what should be done with the dude that vowed to wipe his arse with said voodoo jersey and burn it? and then there’s the problem with smarty-marty…
May 19th, 2009 at 1:25 pm
Dang it. For awhile there it looked like it might be working.
May 19th, 2009 at 2:30 pm
Blazing Saddles bitches. Dancin’ around like a bunch of Kansas City faggots…
Or the original Producers.
Big Lebowski is up there, as is Raising Arizona, but La Femme Nikita?
Other than that, I got no dog in this fight. People need to chill out breathe before blaming other people for things they didn’t do. Someone did fuck with the course. Put you energy into finding the right people, and figuring out how it can be stopped in the future. Flagstaff is looking less and less like a place I want to end up. Thanks for that.
May 19th, 2009 at 2:41 pm
fucking morons…..CADDYSHACK….no brainer. I don’t even own golf clubs either.
May 19th, 2009 at 2:43 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JObTMW3RVf4&feature=related
May 19th, 2009 at 3:08 pm
Not a bad choice, Hump! I stand by my answer… Truth is it’s impossible to give that title out! Too many good ones over the years to say that ONE is king of all….
May 19th, 2009 at 3:41 pm
Fridays
Happy Gilmore
May 19th, 2009 at 4:04 pm
FREE JOE MURRAY!!
May 19th, 2009 at 4:20 pm
New t-shirt idea?….. You could sell em on DC..
May 19th, 2009 at 4:37 pm
http://www.ibelievejoemurray.com
May 19th, 2009 at 5:55 pm
Hey mister! I don’t mean to be tellin’ tales out of school, but there’s a feller in there that’ll pay you ten dollars if you sing into his can.
May 19th, 2009 at 6:21 pm
Two points- Joe Murray stole my wallet,
and…
the accident obviously had no adverse effect on Garro’s memory.
May 19th, 2009 at 6:30 pm
“free joe murray with this coupon. offer good through 5/20/09″
May 19th, 2009 at 8:11 pm
EK SAYS:
DAVE THE GNOME: I’VE ALWAYS LIKED YOU, AND HAVE ALWAYS CONSIDERED YOU THE MOST MELLOW PERSON IN THE WORLD. BUT IF ALL THESE PEOPLE THAT DON’T KNOW YOU, AND WEREN’T THERE ARE PISSED OFF AT YOU, THEN I AM TOO. XXXOOO THANKS. EK
May 19th, 2009 at 8:14 pm
Just come to the Stagger N Grovel this Friday or shut the fuck up!
May 19th, 2009 at 9:08 pm
I did it! Gnome took a picture of me racing while flying my DC jersey & socks. That is proof enough that I am the Flag shoe bomber. Did I tell you that those DC socks are so fucking comfy! Buy a pair.
May 19th, 2009 at 10:00 pm
EK – GET OFF THE YELLOW AND BLUE BOSS. CUT YUR CURLS AND COME ON DOWN TO THE MOTHER SHIP.. THIS AIN’T CRYSTAL CREEK OR ALPINE NO MORE…ROCK ON DUDE!
May 20th, 2009 at 7:34 am
Man you guys are alll wrong in the head. It’s gotta be Fast Times at Ridgemont High. The pool dream is to die for. Now get off my trail.
May 20th, 2009 at 7:55 am
“Gorilla Luv on May 20th, 2009 7:34 am
Man you guys are alll wrong in the head. It’s gotta be Fast Times at Ridgemont High. The pool dream is to die for. Now get off my trail”
Brad: “DOESN’T ANYBODY FUCKING KNOCK ANYMORE?”
-Spicoli
“If I’m here and your here, isn’t it our time.”
-Spcoli the Mtb’er
“If I’m here and your here, isn’t it OUR trails”
May 4th, 2010 at 7:52 pm
let this go down as one of the best moments in dc hugstory. everybody’s here. they all show up for weddings and funerals.
raising arizona, period. (.)