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		<title>By: bikesgonewild</title>
		<link>http://drunkcyclist.com/2009/04/10/hes-making-a-list-and-checking-it-twice/#comment-28046</link>
		<dc:creator>bikesgonewild</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Apr 2009 19:15:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>...this isn&#039;t about comparing apples &amp; oranges...

...on one hand you have what we&#039;ll call the &lt;b&gt;fox-news-ers&lt;/b&gt;, whose  outright prevarications are made up to influence whole generations of people who aren&#039;t used to thinking for themselves...the &lt;i&gt;&quot;if it was good enough for my parents, it&#039;s good enough for me&quot;&lt;/i&gt; crowd...
...the ol&#039; &lt;i&gt;&quot;keep &#039;em on the edge of their seats &amp; keep &#039;em scared, so they fall in line when ya need &#039;em&quot;&lt;/i&gt; tactic...

...on the other hand, you&#039;ve got the &lt;b&gt;msnbc-ers&lt;/b&gt; who deal in about 90% more fact but w/ an outraged liberal slant...the &lt;i&gt;&quot;we&#039;ll counter your bullshit w/ reality&quot;&lt;/i&gt; crowd...&amp; yes, it&#039;s gonna be done from a &quot;liberal&quot; p.o.v. but that&#039;s not to say it ain&#039;t steeped in truth...

...hey, it&#039;s &lt;b&gt;tv&lt;/b&gt;, it&#039;s about advertising rights, it&#039;s about market shares &amp; capturing an audience, so there will always be a slant but total fabrications composed to sway your audience as opposed to truth w/ an &lt;i&gt;&quot;our side&quot;&lt;/i&gt; twist...

...not even close...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230;this isn&#8217;t about comparing apples &amp; oranges&#8230;</p>
<p>&#8230;on one hand you have what we&#8217;ll call the <b>fox-news-ers</b>, whose  outright prevarications are made up to influence whole generations of people who aren&#8217;t used to thinking for themselves&#8230;the <i>&#8220;if it was good enough for my parents, it&#8217;s good enough for me&#8221;</i> crowd&#8230;<br />
&#8230;the ol&#8217; <i>&#8220;keep &#8216;em on the edge of their seats &amp; keep &#8216;em scared, so they fall in line when ya need &#8216;em&#8221;</i> tactic&#8230;</p>
<p>&#8230;on the other hand, you&#8217;ve got the <b>msnbc-ers</b> who deal in about 90% more fact but w/ an outraged liberal slant&#8230;the <i>&#8220;we&#8217;ll counter your bullshit w/ reality&#8221;</i> crowd&#8230;&amp; yes, it&#8217;s gonna be done from a &#8220;liberal&#8221; p.o.v. but that&#8217;s not to say it ain&#8217;t steeped in truth&#8230;</p>
<p>&#8230;hey, it&#8217;s <b>tv</b>, it&#8217;s about advertising rights, it&#8217;s about market shares &amp; capturing an audience, so there will always be a slant but total fabrications composed to sway your audience as opposed to truth w/ an <i>&#8220;our side&#8221;</i> twist&#8230;</p>
<p>&#8230;not even close&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: butthead</title>
		<link>http://drunkcyclist.com/2009/04/10/hes-making-a-list-and-checking-it-twice/#comment-28043</link>
		<dc:creator>butthead</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Apr 2009 17:45:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ok now this is the real &quot;antiamericanism&quot;

michelle bachmann wasn&#039;t the rogue afterall.  it is clearly an underlying theme in the GOP

They had a list in Nazi Germany
McCarthy had a list

anything that is not trickle down is antiamerican or socialist or gay or black or terrorist</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ok now this is the real &#8220;antiamericanism&#8221;</p>
<p>michelle bachmann wasn&#8217;t the rogue afterall.  it is clearly an underlying theme in the GOP</p>
<p>They had a list in Nazi Germany<br />
McCarthy had a list</p>
<p>anything that is not trickle down is antiamerican or socialist or gay or black or terrorist</p>
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		<title>By: dave</title>
		<link>http://drunkcyclist.com/2009/04/10/hes-making-a-list-and-checking-it-twice/#comment-28037</link>
		<dc:creator>dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Apr 2009 16:57:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh yeah, and giantcu-When last you checked on the definition of &quot;populist&quot;, where did you go? Up your own ass, maybe?

Merriam Webster defines it as &quot;1-a member of a political party claiming to represent the common people...&quot; &quot;2-a believer in the rights, wisdom or virtues of the common people&quot;. One certainly doesn&#039;t need to be any kind of majority to fall into either of those catgories, and it would be helpful if you could manage to know a little something next time you shoot your mouth off.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh yeah, and giantcu-When last you checked on the definition of &#8220;populist&#8221;, where did you go? Up your own ass, maybe?</p>
<p>Merriam Webster defines it as &#8220;1-a member of a political party claiming to represent the common people&#8230;&#8221; &#8220;2-a believer in the rights, wisdom or virtues of the common people&#8221;. One certainly doesn&#8217;t need to be any kind of majority to fall into either of those catgories, and it would be helpful if you could manage to know a little something next time you shoot your mouth off.</p>
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		<title>By: dave</title>
		<link>http://drunkcyclist.com/2009/04/10/hes-making-a-list-and-checking-it-twice/#comment-28036</link>
		<dc:creator>dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Apr 2009 16:35:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And don&#039;t forget there&#039;s plenty of market for conservative talk radio. Always will be, at least until the &quot;fairness&quot; doctrine stifles free speech.

Lefty radio? Not so much. National Pinko Radio exists only by picking our pockets, along with the shameless begging during their &quot;membership&quot; drives. Got your member right here. Air &quot;America&quot; still on the air? Can&#039;t say; can&#039;t even pick it up around here. Guess the people have spoken.

&quot;Unhinged&quot;? That would be Herr Olbermann. If you don&#039;t see it you&#039;re fucking blind. And yeah, Glenn is alittle over the top. Don&#039;t watch him much because his show comes on right about my ride time, but yeah, just between us he worries me. I could see him losing it. 

Truth is, there&#039;s douchebaggery aplenty on both sides. But your gang of douchbags pretty much has a stranglehold on things at the moment. Sorta makes them the logical target.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And don&#8217;t forget there&#8217;s plenty of market for conservative talk radio. Always will be, at least until the &#8220;fairness&#8221; doctrine stifles free speech.</p>
<p>Lefty radio? Not so much. National Pinko Radio exists only by picking our pockets, along with the shameless begging during their &#8220;membership&#8221; drives. Got your member right here. Air &#8220;America&#8221; still on the air? Can&#8217;t say; can&#8217;t even pick it up around here. Guess the people have spoken.</p>
<p>&#8220;Unhinged&#8221;? That would be Herr Olbermann. If you don&#8217;t see it you&#8217;re fucking blind. And yeah, Glenn is alittle over the top. Don&#8217;t watch him much because his show comes on right about my ride time, but yeah, just between us he worries me. I could see him losing it. </p>
<p>Truth is, there&#8217;s douchebaggery aplenty on both sides. But your gang of douchbags pretty much has a stranglehold on things at the moment. Sorta makes them the logical target.</p>
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		<title>By: giantcu92</title>
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		<dc:creator>giantcu92</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Apr 2009 16:08:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dave,

Are you serious about Maddow and Olberman? Can you show me some stories that they&#039;ve done where they&#039;ve just made things up out of whole cloth to tar and feather someone with as with what happens on FoxNews on a minute to minute basis? I mean, the Hannity show is just one big lie from start to finish, or way out of context information cut and used to &quot;prove&quot; his points. There really is no comparison. So MSNBC has a couple of shows that are liberal. FoxNews, remember the number 1 news channel on TV, has an entire network dedicated to anti anything democratic party. It&#039;s really that simple, and they&#039;re not equal at all. Lump in the fact that Fox claims that they&#039;re &quot;fair and balanced&quot; and then it just because totally and completely laughable. Show me someone on the left who is as unhinged and mainstream as O&#039;Reilly, Hannity, and Fox&#039;s new darling, Glenn Beck. You can&#039;t do it. Sure there are plenty left loons out there, but for the most part, we don&#039;t listen to them, and they are NOT in the mainstream. Fox is plenty mainstream, and they&#039;re throwing out crazy conspiracy theories like Obama is working towards making the US part of some one world government, and that he&#039;s going to come and take your guns away, that he signed away US sovereignty when he was at the G20. I mean, the list goes on and on.

And yes, it is mostly going to be republicans at these tax day tea parties. They are being organized, and promoted by FoxNews, and in most locations locally put together by republican party chapters in the various cities. I don&#039;t have a problem with any of this, but stop acting like it is some populist movement. According to Fox&#039;s own polling, a mere 36 percent of people said that they might attend these things. Now, last time I checked, if you want something to be populist, it has to have at least 50 percent. They can&#039;t even get the republicans to (47% who might attend) to agree to a majority. 

And Matthews? A liberal? HA! Sir, surely you jest. This is the same man who praised George W. Bush from start to finish, and never met a republican candidate that he didn&#039;t love. Yeah, I know, he worked for democrats, but his blatherings prove he is no liberal my friend. You can throw Ed Schultz in there though to replace the Matthews pick, since he just started his show on MSNBC.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dave,</p>
<p>Are you serious about Maddow and Olberman? Can you show me some stories that they&#8217;ve done where they&#8217;ve just made things up out of whole cloth to tar and feather someone with as with what happens on FoxNews on a minute to minute basis? I mean, the Hannity show is just one big lie from start to finish, or way out of context information cut and used to &#8220;prove&#8221; his points. There really is no comparison. So MSNBC has a couple of shows that are liberal. FoxNews, remember the number 1 news channel on TV, has an entire network dedicated to anti anything democratic party. It&#8217;s really that simple, and they&#8217;re not equal at all. Lump in the fact that Fox claims that they&#8217;re &#8220;fair and balanced&#8221; and then it just because totally and completely laughable. Show me someone on the left who is as unhinged and mainstream as O&#8217;Reilly, Hannity, and Fox&#8217;s new darling, Glenn Beck. You can&#8217;t do it. Sure there are plenty left loons out there, but for the most part, we don&#8217;t listen to them, and they are NOT in the mainstream. Fox is plenty mainstream, and they&#8217;re throwing out crazy conspiracy theories like Obama is working towards making the US part of some one world government, and that he&#8217;s going to come and take your guns away, that he signed away US sovereignty when he was at the G20. I mean, the list goes on and on.</p>
<p>And yes, it is mostly going to be republicans at these tax day tea parties. They are being organized, and promoted by FoxNews, and in most locations locally put together by republican party chapters in the various cities. I don&#8217;t have a problem with any of this, but stop acting like it is some populist movement. According to Fox&#8217;s own polling, a mere 36 percent of people said that they might attend these things. Now, last time I checked, if you want something to be populist, it has to have at least 50 percent. They can&#8217;t even get the republicans to (47% who might attend) to agree to a majority. </p>
<p>And Matthews? A liberal? HA! Sir, surely you jest. This is the same man who praised George W. Bush from start to finish, and never met a republican candidate that he didn&#8217;t love. Yeah, I know, he worked for democrats, but his blatherings prove he is no liberal my friend. You can throw Ed Schultz in there though to replace the Matthews pick, since he just started his show on MSNBC.</p>
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		<title>By: dave</title>
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		<dc:creator>dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Apr 2009 13:40:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wouldn&#039;t say that. What your three stooges lack in output, they more than make up in vitriol.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wouldn&#8217;t say that. What your three stooges lack in output, they more than make up in vitriol.</p>
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		<title>By: bikesgonewild</title>
		<link>http://drunkcyclist.com/2009/04/10/hes-making-a-list-and-checking-it-twice/#comment-28026</link>
		<dc:creator>bikesgonewild</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Apr 2009 11:16:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>...&lt;i&gt;&quot;Of course Olbermann, Matthews, Maddow and their ilk are completely impartial.&quot;&lt;/i&gt;...

...well, no, dave, i&#039;d have to agree that they&#039;re not impartial...but then again, 16 tons of bullshit a day from &lt;b&gt;fox&lt;/b&gt; news is not really equalized or balanced out by maybe 6 lb of bullshit a day from &quot;our side&quot;...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230;<i>&#8220;Of course Olbermann, Matthews, Maddow and their ilk are completely impartial.&#8221;</i>&#8230;</p>
<p>&#8230;well, no, dave, i&#8217;d have to agree that they&#8217;re not impartial&#8230;but then again, 16 tons of bullshit a day from <b>fox</b> news is not really equalized or balanced out by maybe 6 lb of bullshit a day from &#8220;our side&#8221;&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Flanders</title>
		<link>http://drunkcyclist.com/2009/04/10/hes-making-a-list-and-checking-it-twice/#comment-28016</link>
		<dc:creator>Flanders</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Apr 2009 21:59:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;You know those Germans are always making good stuff!&quot;

&quot;Maybe we need someone who really looks out for the working class, and not just gives lip-service.’&quot;
  Ohhhh Bikepunk, I guess it&#039;s okay to dream???  Me... I think I&#039;m going to need a Shamwow to wipe up my tears... I need a beer!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;You know those Germans are always making good stuff!&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;Maybe we need someone who really looks out for the working class, and not just gives lip-service.’&#8221;<br />
  Ohhhh Bikepunk, I guess it&#8217;s okay to dream???  Me&#8230; I think I&#8217;m going to need a Shamwow to wipe up my tears&#8230; I need a beer!</p>
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		<title>By: Bikepunk</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bikepunk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Apr 2009 20:27:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am not in any way opposed to a three-four-or even five-party system. Fucking hell, break it down to 8 even.

You see, once Nazi Germany was broken, we introduced &#039;Western Democracy&#039; to the peoples of West Germany, and now...?

There is the CSU, CDU (Both more or less the Republican &#039;Christian&#039; wing) The SPD (Insert bike joke here; they are the Democratic wing...) Then you have &#039;die Linke&#039; &#039;The Left&#039; who are more socialist, as well as FDP, which ironically are socialist, with a Republican lean. So there you have the 4-point base. Then you have (believe it or not...) the NPD (National Party of Democrats as far as I know... Those are the same people from about 50 years ago, and they can&#039;t legally ban them, although they are trying to find a connection between them and the typical &#039;Nazis&#039; that you hear about...) and other smaller parties who end up doing more locally... but again, i get distracted.

My point is... we as Americans need to evolve and maybe... just maybe... this is our tipping point. Maybe this is the generation where we say &#039;Yeah R or D both have decent ideas, but we need someone ELSE who isn&#039;t tied to corporate interests. Maybe we need someone who really looks out for the working class, and not just gives lip-service.&#039;

Or maybe that&#039;s just the beer talking.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am not in any way opposed to a three-four-or even five-party system. Fucking hell, break it down to 8 even.</p>
<p>You see, once Nazi Germany was broken, we introduced &#8216;Western Democracy&#8217; to the peoples of West Germany, and now&#8230;?</p>
<p>There is the CSU, CDU (Both more or less the Republican &#8216;Christian&#8217; wing) The SPD (Insert bike joke here; they are the Democratic wing&#8230;) Then you have &#8216;die Linke&#8217; &#8216;The Left&#8217; who are more socialist, as well as FDP, which ironically are socialist, with a Republican lean. So there you have the 4-point base. Then you have (believe it or not&#8230;) the NPD (National Party of Democrats as far as I know&#8230; Those are the same people from about 50 years ago, and they can&#8217;t legally ban them, although they are trying to find a connection between them and the typical &#8216;Nazis&#8217; that you hear about&#8230;) and other smaller parties who end up doing more locally&#8230; but again, i get distracted.</p>
<p>My point is&#8230; we as Americans need to evolve and maybe&#8230; just maybe&#8230; this is our tipping point. Maybe this is the generation where we say &#8216;Yeah R or D both have decent ideas, but we need someone ELSE who isn&#8217;t tied to corporate interests. Maybe we need someone who really looks out for the working class, and not just gives lip-service.&#8217;</p>
<p>Or maybe that&#8217;s just the beer talking.</p>
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		<title>By: schultzenheimer</title>
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		<dc:creator>schultzenheimer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Apr 2009 18:34:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>People who think the tea parties are just a bunch of cranky Republicans are sorely mistaken.  I think a lot of the Republican&#039;ts that are at these tea parties should have taken their head out of the sand 8 years ago.  I have many liberal ideals but having a huge federal government isn&#039;t one of them.  Next thing you know someone like W is back in office and turning it all around on us.  I guess the status quo in W.D.C. uses the two sides to feed itself.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>People who think the tea parties are just a bunch of cranky Republicans are sorely mistaken.  I think a lot of the Republican&#8217;ts that are at these tea parties should have taken their head out of the sand 8 years ago.  I have many liberal ideals but having a huge federal government isn&#8217;t one of them.  Next thing you know someone like W is back in office and turning it all around on us.  I guess the status quo in W.D.C. uses the two sides to feed itself.</p>
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		<title>By: sommerfliesby</title>
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		<dc:creator>sommerfliesby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Apr 2009 18:02:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OK Giant...you can have your shots at wingnuts on the right, but remember, there are some in your backyard.  I seldom respond with true disbelief when I hear an item on the news from the realm of the political world (I think we&#039;ve all become a touch jaded as to the level of idiocy our elected officials can ascribe to)...but the little visit to Cuba by the Congressional Black Caucus...I mean COME ON!!  The rhetoric spouted by &quot;true Americans&quot; Bobby Rush and Maxine Waters...leaves a little to be desired in my humble view.  On top of the Obama/Clinton apology world tour.  It&#039;s certainly reassuring to realize that Mexico&#039;s problems are my fault, I&#039;m sure you all agree that they are your fault as well...so stop with the drugs, mkay?

As for the Republican party...fuck it...let them go extinct...perhaps there will arise in the vaccuum of their antiquated abscence a party which believes in the simple priciples of common sense.  I ask again...what&#039;s wrong with having a third party in the system?  Are people so ingrained in their &quot;right vs left&quot; / &quot;conservative vs liberal&quot; that they can see no other ways?  The same way you accuse Republicans of hiding behind the ignorance of outdated Christian mores, there are scores of self-righteous lifetimes Democratic voters that insist that they are the &quot;party of the people&quot; while at the same time languishing in their millions whilst enjoying that sense of accomplishment they feel in creating yet another welfare generation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK Giant&#8230;you can have your shots at wingnuts on the right, but remember, there are some in your backyard.  I seldom respond with true disbelief when I hear an item on the news from the realm of the political world (I think we&#8217;ve all become a touch jaded as to the level of idiocy our elected officials can ascribe to)&#8230;but the little visit to Cuba by the Congressional Black Caucus&#8230;I mean COME ON!!  The rhetoric spouted by &#8220;true Americans&#8221; Bobby Rush and Maxine Waters&#8230;leaves a little to be desired in my humble view.  On top of the Obama/Clinton apology world tour.  It&#8217;s certainly reassuring to realize that Mexico&#8217;s problems are my fault, I&#8217;m sure you all agree that they are your fault as well&#8230;so stop with the drugs, mkay?</p>
<p>As for the Republican party&#8230;fuck it&#8230;let them go extinct&#8230;perhaps there will arise in the vaccuum of their antiquated abscence a party which believes in the simple priciples of common sense.  I ask again&#8230;what&#8217;s wrong with having a third party in the system?  Are people so ingrained in their &#8220;right vs left&#8221; / &#8220;conservative vs liberal&#8221; that they can see no other ways?  The same way you accuse Republicans of hiding behind the ignorance of outdated Christian mores, there are scores of self-righteous lifetimes Democratic voters that insist that they are the &#8220;party of the people&#8221; while at the same time languishing in their millions whilst enjoying that sense of accomplishment they feel in creating yet another welfare generation.</p>
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		<title>By: Jack</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Apr 2009 17:33:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We are all socialists. How many people do you know who have never been on a public road?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We are all socialists. How many people do you know who have never been on a public road?</p>
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