Comments on: Leipheimer has a posse http://drunkcyclist.com/2008/02/17/leipheimer-has-a-posse/ Two Wheels. One Dark Lord. Thu, 24 May 2012 06:26:55 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.2 By: crank http://drunkcyclist.com/2008/02/17/leipheimer-has-a-posse/#comment-9488 crank Sat, 23 Feb 2008 03:08:55 +0000 http://drunkcyclist.com/wordpress/2008/02/17/leipheimer-has-a-posse/#comment-9488 K-Ro Been racing road bikes, mountain bikes and cross since 1989. Bmx since 1980 so yeah I guess I'm "new" to the sport and "naive". Love the sport and actually make my living from it. I think these are not the reactions of long time fans, they love the sport. This blog has like comments. The Let Levi Ride website has 30,000 responses now so we'll see what cycling fans think... K-Ro
Been racing road bikes, mountain bikes and cross since 1989. Bmx since 1980 so yeah I guess I’m “new” to the sport and “naive”. Love the sport and actually make my living from it. I think these are not the reactions of long time fans, they love the sport. This blog has like comments. The Let Levi Ride website has 30,000 responses now so we’ll see what cycling fans think…

]]> By: K-Ro again http://drunkcyclist.com/2008/02/17/leipheimer-has-a-posse/#comment-9419 K-Ro again Thu, 21 Feb 2008 05:13:23 +0000 http://drunkcyclist.com/wordpress/2008/02/17/leipheimer-has-a-posse/#comment-9419 Crank - what you're seeing are the reactions of a crowd of people that were likely into this sport before the Lance years. We've seen the rather arbitrary nature of doping punishment, and where the scrutiny is selectively focused, since 1999. Maybe this is a new feeling for you, cause this time its your favorite riders that are getting hosed while the others walk away, but I'm glad to see it happen to whom I honestly believe is the dirtiest crew out there. The truth is that the best dopers, the most sophisticated, don't get caught cause they don't trip up the tests. I'm just sick of it cause I love cycling and its ruining the image of the sport and turning it into a race of pharmacology and not athleticism. You're dead wrong when you say the same guys would still win - you've never raced a bike, have you? Crank – what you’re seeing are the reactions of a crowd of people that were likely into this sport before the Lance years. We’ve seen the rather arbitrary nature of doping punishment, and where the scrutiny is selectively focused, since 1999. Maybe this is a new feeling for you, cause this time its your favorite riders that are getting hosed while the others walk away, but I’m glad to see it happen to whom I honestly believe is the dirtiest crew out there.

The truth is that the best dopers, the most sophisticated, don’t get caught cause they don’t trip up the tests.

I’m just sick of it cause I love cycling and its ruining the image of the sport and turning it into a race of pharmacology and not athleticism. You’re dead wrong when you say the same guys would still win – you’ve never raced a bike, have you?

]]> By: K-Ro http://drunkcyclist.com/2008/02/17/leipheimer-has-a-posse/#comment-9418 K-Ro Thu, 21 Feb 2008 04:58:22 +0000 http://drunkcyclist.com/wordpress/2008/02/17/leipheimer-has-a-posse/#comment-9418 Humpty - I didnt know that about Levi, although I could've guessed it. I know Hincapie's climbing chops came out of a blood bag, and for sure with Floyd as well. Landis is the only one I really wanted to believe in, but there's just no chance he wasn't in on the program too. I'm Canadian, so Mike Barry and Ryder Hesjedal are the two guys I'm hoping get a shot to ride in July, but I really like Horner and Zabriske. And I hope Phinny's kid keeps ripping it up - I loved Davis when I was growing up and riding. Guy was the shit. Him, Hampsten and Bauer... Anyway. I'm out. Humpty – I didnt know that about Levi, although I could’ve guessed it. I know Hincapie’s climbing chops came out of a blood bag, and for sure with Floyd as well. Landis is the only one I really wanted to believe in, but there’s just no chance he wasn’t in on the program too.

I’m Canadian, so Mike Barry and Ryder Hesjedal are the two guys I’m hoping get a shot to ride in July, but I really like Horner and Zabriske. And I hope Phinny’s kid keeps ripping it up – I loved Davis when I was growing up and riding. Guy was the shit. Him, Hampsten and Bauer…

Anyway. I’m out.

]]> By: crank http://drunkcyclist.com/2008/02/17/leipheimer-has-a-posse/#comment-9393 crank Wed, 20 Feb 2008 05:12:39 +0000 http://drunkcyclist.com/wordpress/2008/02/17/leipheimer-has-a-posse/#comment-9393 Humpty: I'm picking a side, either ban all drug taking teams or none. My pick is all but just picking one....looks like other motives are at play. Humpty:
I’m picking a side, either ban all drug taking teams or none. My pick is all but just picking one….looks like other motives are at play.

]]> By: Mikey http://drunkcyclist.com/2008/02/17/leipheimer-has-a-posse/#comment-9391 Mikey Wed, 20 Feb 2008 03:17:59 +0000 http://drunkcyclist.com/wordpress/2008/02/17/leipheimer-has-a-posse/#comment-9391 Guys- I see my homie Doug-O is pulling for Cipo the Lion. Ain't that a thing? Some good comments above... yes, ASO got fucked in the ass during their Big Show last year. They're pissed, and they're acting out. Who can blame them? It's their show. Any "war on drugs" will ultimately fail. It's like the "war on crime" and the "war on poverty." Human behavior follows a probability distribution and you cannot eliminate the six-sigma and outlier datapoints. You can only orchestrate group hugs and try to sell careful, unprovable definitions of what "isn't." Pro cycling is dead... well, yeah. But amateur competition such as the Olympics isn't? Go, Doug-O! Mikey Guys-

I see my homie Doug-O is pulling for Cipo the Lion. Ain’t that a thing?

Some good comments above… yes, ASO got fucked in the ass during their Big Show last year. They’re pissed, and they’re acting out. Who can blame them? It’s their show.

Any “war on drugs” will ultimately fail. It’s like the “war on crime” and the “war on poverty.” Human behavior follows a probability distribution and you cannot eliminate the six-sigma and outlier datapoints. You can only orchestrate group hugs and try to sell careful, unprovable definitions of what “isn’t.”

Pro cycling is dead… well, yeah. But amateur competition such as the Olympics isn’t?

Go, Doug-O!

Mikey

]]> By: Axel T http://drunkcyclist.com/2008/02/17/leipheimer-has-a-posse/#comment-9387 Axel T Tue, 19 Feb 2008 23:31:24 +0000 http://drunkcyclist.com/wordpress/2008/02/17/leipheimer-has-a-posse/#comment-9387 Can't Levi switch teams? I mean, if it's his dream and all. Other teams might not have the same "program" but that doesn't mean he can't try to go achieve his dream with the lessons he's learned last year, right? Can’t Levi switch teams? I mean, if it’s his dream and all. Other teams might not have the same “program” but that doesn’t mean he can’t try to go achieve his dream with the lessons he’s learned last year, right?

]]> By: Humpty http://drunkcyclist.com/2008/02/17/leipheimer-has-a-posse/#comment-9383 Humpty Tue, 19 Feb 2008 19:51:02 +0000 http://drunkcyclist.com/wordpress/2008/02/17/leipheimer-has-a-posse/#comment-9383 Crank, Looks at the facts and take a side. Ever been beaten by a cheater? Ask someone who is clean and got 2nd the crap you are peddling. I think drugs make music better. but I also like musicians that can admit they use drugs. I respect David Millar, Zabel, and Bjarne Riis more then the ones that act high and mighty and aren't squaky clean. See Foolneel... Admit it, put it out there, let's clean it up and move on. Sticking your head in the sand helps nothing. Crank,
Looks at the facts and take a side. Ever been beaten by a cheater? Ask someone who is clean and got 2nd the crap you are peddling. I think drugs make music better. but I also like musicians that can admit they use drugs. I respect David Millar, Zabel, and Bjarne Riis more then the ones that act high and mighty and aren’t squaky clean. See Foolneel…
Admit it, put it out there, let’s clean it up and move on. Sticking your head in the sand helps nothing.

]]> By: schultzenstein http://drunkcyclist.com/2008/02/17/leipheimer-has-a-posse/#comment-9370 schultzenstein Tue, 19 Feb 2008 15:04:51 +0000 http://drunkcyclist.com/wordpress/2008/02/17/leipheimer-has-a-posse/#comment-9370 what a risky career move, to sign on with astana. nobody should be surprized, really. the mere thought of drinking booze during a bike race strikes fear into most, but if you raise the prospect of performance ENHANCING drugs to them you won't get that reaction. what a risky career move, to sign on with astana. nobody should be surprized, really.

the mere thought of drinking booze during a bike race strikes fear into most, but if you raise the prospect of performance ENHANCING drugs to them you won’t get that reaction.

]]> By: pegleg http://drunkcyclist.com/2008/02/17/leipheimer-has-a-posse/#comment-9366 pegleg Tue, 19 Feb 2008 02:56:27 +0000 http://drunkcyclist.com/wordpress/2008/02/17/leipheimer-has-a-posse/#comment-9366 All I have to say is I hate cheaters, but I love crack. All I have to say is I hate cheaters, but I love crack.

]]> By: crank http://drunkcyclist.com/2008/02/17/leipheimer-has-a-posse/#comment-9364 crank Tue, 19 Feb 2008 01:42:16 +0000 http://drunkcyclist.com/wordpress/2008/02/17/leipheimer-has-a-posse/#comment-9364 Wow. There are some pretty high and mighty people out there on this comment board. Wonder if you apply this same level of scrutiny to your every day life. Buy music from bands that take drugs? Taking money out of the hands of non drug taking musicians? aren't they? Hard to get that creative "clean". I'm not saying Discovery was or wasn't clean, but I bet they did what everyone else did or didn't do. The best guys still probably won. Shit does need to change, but not just Astana or whoever. Get some rules, enforce them EVENLY and get on with it. This arbitrary stuff is just bullshit. Wow. There are some pretty high and mighty people out there on this comment board. Wonder if you apply this same level of scrutiny to your every day life. Buy music from bands that take drugs? Taking money out of the hands of non drug taking musicians? aren’t they? Hard to get that creative “clean”. I’m not saying Discovery was or wasn’t clean, but I bet they did what everyone else did or didn’t do. The best guys still probably won. Shit does need to change, but not just Astana or whoever. Get some rules, enforce them EVENLY and get on with it. This arbitrary stuff is just bullshit.

]]> By: Bill Basso http://drunkcyclist.com/2008/02/17/leipheimer-has-a-posse/#comment-9363 Bill Basso Tue, 19 Feb 2008 01:27:12 +0000 http://drunkcyclist.com/wordpress/2008/02/17/leipheimer-has-a-posse/#comment-9363 At least he could have credited the quote he used to Edmund Burke. At least he could have credited the quote he used to Edmund Burke.

]]> By: KG http://drunkcyclist.com/2008/02/17/leipheimer-has-a-posse/#comment-9362 KG Mon, 18 Feb 2008 23:50:52 +0000 http://drunkcyclist.com/wordpress/2008/02/17/leipheimer-has-a-posse/#comment-9362 It's not dead, but the zealots are trying to kill it. It’s not dead, but the zealots are trying to kill it.

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