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		<title>By: dynomite</title>
		<link>http://drunkcyclist.com/2007/11/09/i-aint-sayin-back-him-but-let-the-man-speak/#comment-4736</link>
		<dc:creator>dynomite</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Nov 2007 01:41:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>El Jefe  for president</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>El Jefe  for president</p>
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		<title>By: el jefe</title>
		<link>http://drunkcyclist.com/2007/11/09/i-aint-sayin-back-him-but-let-the-man-speak/#comment-4703</link>
		<dc:creator>el jefe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Nov 2007 06:31:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes the impending crash of the dollar is an emergency.  At least under Bill Clinton, we had the choice of where to put our budget surplus.  We&#039;ve gone from a budget surplus (even if we weren&#039;t being smart and immediately using it to pay down our debt) to Reaganesqe levels of deficit spending because of that fucking war.  Republicans DO NOT get to talk about being the party of fiscal responsibility.  They lost that right with Shrub (well they lost it a long time before that, but they need to be skewered for it now.)  He&#039;s ruining our economy.  Wasting our ability to fund social programs so that he can keep his daddy&#039;s business partners happy.

You can&#039;t seriously be so simplistic as to believe that there aren&#039;t confounding factors about why there are more blacks in prison prison than whites.  Economics?  Access to education?  Quality of legal representation?  Fear of brown people?  These are all things that are more often against you if you are anything but white.  

RP says some enticing things.  I&#039;m just not willing to forgive him for his other views or past actions.  Luckily, RP isn&#039;t ever going to be taken seriously on the large scale.  Unfortunately, neither will Kucinich or Richardson.  Since we need a more &quot;slick&quot; candidate than either of them (the consumers have spoken...)  That leaves Obama and Edwards.  I wish I had faith that the country had gotten over their bigotry enough for Obama to be elected.  No he&#039;s not perfect, but he&#039;s not the pure concentrated evil of the Republicans, and I have a big problem with 24 years of leadership from 2 families if Clinton is elected.  And I still think her campaign is going to implode.  A black and a hispanic could be good for the country, but it&#039;ll probably have to be another cracker (Edwards) with Obama as VP as a viable ticket.  I&#039;m not happy with it, but another 4 years with a fundamentalist Republican will completely ruin this country.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes the impending crash of the dollar is an emergency.  At least under Bill Clinton, we had the choice of where to put our budget surplus.  We&#8217;ve gone from a budget surplus (even if we weren&#8217;t being smart and immediately using it to pay down our debt) to Reaganesqe levels of deficit spending because of that fucking war.  Republicans DO NOT get to talk about being the party of fiscal responsibility.  They lost that right with Shrub (well they lost it a long time before that, but they need to be skewered for it now.)  He&#8217;s ruining our economy.  Wasting our ability to fund social programs so that he can keep his daddy&#8217;s business partners happy.</p>
<p>You can&#8217;t seriously be so simplistic as to believe that there aren&#8217;t confounding factors about why there are more blacks in prison prison than whites.  Economics?  Access to education?  Quality of legal representation?  Fear of brown people?  These are all things that are more often against you if you are anything but white.  </p>
<p>RP says some enticing things.  I&#8217;m just not willing to forgive him for his other views or past actions.  Luckily, RP isn&#8217;t ever going to be taken seriously on the large scale.  Unfortunately, neither will Kucinich or Richardson.  Since we need a more &#8220;slick&#8221; candidate than either of them (the consumers have spoken&#8230;)  That leaves Obama and Edwards.  I wish I had faith that the country had gotten over their bigotry enough for Obama to be elected.  No he&#8217;s not perfect, but he&#8217;s not the pure concentrated evil of the Republicans, and I have a big problem with 24 years of leadership from 2 families if Clinton is elected.  And I still think her campaign is going to implode.  A black and a hispanic could be good for the country, but it&#8217;ll probably have to be another cracker (Edwards) with Obama as VP as a viable ticket.  I&#8217;m not happy with it, but another 4 years with a fundamentalist Republican will completely ruin this country.</p>
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		<title>By: velo-femme</title>
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		<dc:creator>velo-femme</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Nov 2007 17:29:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually this petition was from June, no wonder it&#039;s closed.

&gt;Many Americans, including the undersigned, have eagerly &gt;anticipated the presidential candidates’ forum that Iowans for &gt;Tax Relief and the Iowa Christian Alliance will be hosting in &gt;Des Moines on June 30th, 2007.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually this petition was from June, no wonder it&#8217;s closed.</p>
<p>&gt;Many Americans, including the undersigned, have eagerly &gt;anticipated the presidential candidates’ forum that Iowans for &gt;Tax Relief and the Iowa Christian Alliance will be hosting in &gt;Des Moines on June 30th, 2007.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
		<link>http://drunkcyclist.com/2007/11/09/i-aint-sayin-back-him-but-let-the-man-speak/#comment-4650</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Nov 2007 23:10:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No candidate even MENTIONS the national debt---except for Paul. The national debt climbed under Clinton. Sure, he played the numbers game and had a budget which wasn&#039;t in deficit---but he never paid a dime off of the deficit. The deficit is what&#039;s devaluing the currency. If we don&#039;t fix THAT, there will be no country. But what do the other candidates want to talk about? Stupid social issues to divide people into camps. They want to tell you how they want to spend your tax money to buy your votes. It&#039;s ridiculous. We need a policy of fiscal reponsibility---or we&#039;re going to have to declare bankruptcy, sell off infrastructure, AND dump our currency for another. It&#039;s an emergency. 

Black people DO commit more violent crime than others. That why the prisons are full of them. Facts are facts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No candidate even MENTIONS the national debt&#8212;except for Paul. The national debt climbed under Clinton. Sure, he played the numbers game and had a budget which wasn&#8217;t in deficit&#8212;but he never paid a dime off of the deficit. The deficit is what&#8217;s devaluing the currency. If we don&#8217;t fix THAT, there will be no country. But what do the other candidates want to talk about? Stupid social issues to divide people into camps. They want to tell you how they want to spend your tax money to buy your votes. It&#8217;s ridiculous. We need a policy of fiscal reponsibility&#8212;or we&#8217;re going to have to declare bankruptcy, sell off infrastructure, AND dump our currency for another. It&#8217;s an emergency. </p>
<p>Black people DO commit more violent crime than others. That why the prisons are full of them. Facts are facts.</p>
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		<title>By: thejerk</title>
		<link>http://drunkcyclist.com/2007/11/09/i-aint-sayin-back-him-but-let-the-man-speak/#comment-4641</link>
		<dc:creator>thejerk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Nov 2007 19:48:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks El Jefe, I am a little over trained and over zealous. Could you tell me how he could make it worse. What i see are three viable options...Paul, Kucinich and Obama.  The rest are business as usual or snow balls in hell. Paul got me excited for the reason he could draw on that republican voter base as well as many others and put up a fight against the brain washed mass voters for Clinton and Guilianii. We are screwed in the case of either of them. In a straight up &quot;who is the man&quot; vote Dennis all the way. Obama is a nice guy and probably a first rate vice pres.

So to vote with my heart or for the most probable winner of viable candidates</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks El Jefe, I am a little over trained and over zealous. Could you tell me how he could make it worse. What i see are three viable options&#8230;Paul, Kucinich and Obama.  The rest are business as usual or snow balls in hell. Paul got me excited for the reason he could draw on that republican voter base as well as many others and put up a fight against the brain washed mass voters for Clinton and Guilianii. We are screwed in the case of either of them. In a straight up &#8220;who is the man&#8221; vote Dennis all the way. Obama is a nice guy and probably a first rate vice pres.</p>
<p>So to vote with my heart or for the most probable winner of viable candidates</p>
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		<title>By: lance manley</title>
		<link>http://drunkcyclist.com/2007/11/09/i-aint-sayin-back-him-but-let-the-man-speak/#comment-4639</link>
		<dc:creator>lance manley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Nov 2007 19:27:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ron Paul works for me.  I see a candidate that might actually be telling us the truth.  What a nice change that would be.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ron Paul works for me.  I see a candidate that might actually be telling us the truth.  What a nice change that would be.</p>
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		<title>By: el jefe</title>
		<link>http://drunkcyclist.com/2007/11/09/i-aint-sayin-back-him-but-let-the-man-speak/#comment-4624</link>
		<dc:creator>el jefe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Nov 2007 06:03:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mike,
He still doesn&#039;t distance himself from hate groups.  He still published that quote in HIS newsletter (in 1992), and as of the late 90&#039;s you could still request a copy from him.  That doesn&#039;t sound like he was too ashamed of it then.  He published that newsletter for years.  And his words are untrue and bigoted, and if you believe them then you are taking that first step into bigotry.  You can&#039;t say that any race is more inclined to violence or crime.  He also said that white collar crime was only done by whites and asians.  You can&#039;t explain away his racist statements, and you can&#039;t deny that he&#039;s a fucking nutjob.

Where did I ever say I supported Clinton or Obama?  I was talking about Ron Paul being a wingnut.  My problems with the other candidates are for another argument which I don&#039;t have the time or energy for.

Yes, the war and the economy are the two biggest issues facing the country.  One of the reasons we are in that mess is that Republican administrations since Reagan have been telling us to be afraid of all brown people from the middle east.  Those &quot;silly&quot; social issues are what will allow this country to get even more divided over the xenophobic fear of all things different.  The environmental issues that RP wants to dismiss will impact everyone.  Just because he&#039;s the only Republican who says he&#039;ll get us out of the war, doesn&#039;t change the fact that he&#039;s a bad idea for this country.  Isolationist policies will not save our economy.  

RP will not liberate us from any secret occupation, he&#039;ll make it worse.

I&#039;m done.  Go have a drink.  I&#039;m having one too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mike,<br />
He still doesn&#8217;t distance himself from hate groups.  He still published that quote in HIS newsletter (in 1992), and as of the late 90&#8242;s you could still request a copy from him.  That doesn&#8217;t sound like he was too ashamed of it then.  He published that newsletter for years.  And his words are untrue and bigoted, and if you believe them then you are taking that first step into bigotry.  You can&#8217;t say that any race is more inclined to violence or crime.  He also said that white collar crime was only done by whites and asians.  You can&#8217;t explain away his racist statements, and you can&#8217;t deny that he&#8217;s a fucking nutjob.</p>
<p>Where did I ever say I supported Clinton or Obama?  I was talking about Ron Paul being a wingnut.  My problems with the other candidates are for another argument which I don&#8217;t have the time or energy for.</p>
<p>Yes, the war and the economy are the two biggest issues facing the country.  One of the reasons we are in that mess is that Republican administrations since Reagan have been telling us to be afraid of all brown people from the middle east.  Those &#8220;silly&#8221; social issues are what will allow this country to get even more divided over the xenophobic fear of all things different.  The environmental issues that RP wants to dismiss will impact everyone.  Just because he&#8217;s the only Republican who says he&#8217;ll get us out of the war, doesn&#8217;t change the fact that he&#8217;s a bad idea for this country.  Isolationist policies will not save our economy.  </p>
<p>RP will not liberate us from any secret occupation, he&#8217;ll make it worse.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m done.  Go have a drink.  I&#8217;m having one too.</p>
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		<title>By: thejerk</title>
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		<dc:creator>thejerk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Nov 2007 00:26:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>insert flavor flav snicker here, I couldn&#039;t resist,.

If homey RP liberates this country that has been under secret occupation since the 30&#039;s then.....yeah let the revolution unite use all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>insert flavor flav snicker here, I couldn&#8217;t resist,.</p>
<p>If homey RP liberates this country that has been under secret occupation since the 30&#8242;s then&#8230;..yeah let the revolution unite use all.</p>
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		<title>By: thejerk</title>
		<link>http://drunkcyclist.com/2007/11/09/i-aint-sayin-back-him-but-let-the-man-speak/#comment-4613</link>
		<dc:creator>thejerk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Nov 2007 00:19:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>amen</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>amen</p>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Nov 2007 21:33:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>el jefe---He has stated publicly that those are NOT his words. A staffer wrote them in a newsletter, and Dr. Paul has apologized for the staffer ever since. BUT---the words aren&#039;t untrue, are they?

Conspiracy nuts have a right to support a political candidate, too. Big tent, and all that. Do we really want to start cherry picking supporters? By that standard, then Hillary Clinton should be shunned because she has the support of radical athiest lesbians, Barack Obama should be shunned because he belongs to a racist church....

The MOST important issues facing the country right now are the war and the economy. Period. All the silly, petty social issues people get worked up about aren&#039;t going to destabilize the country. Failure to get a handle on a tanking economy WILL. 

Do you think any Democrat(except for Gravel or Kucinich) will end the war? Really? The top two are fully willing to rattle the saber at Iran. There is NO DIFFERENCE between Rudy Guiliani and Hillary Clinton--in fact, Hillary Clinton has been briefed by GWB as to how to continue the war in Iraq if she&#039;s elected. There is only one candidate who is not beholden to big corporate money, and only one candidate who understands both the economy AND the war. You know who that is.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>el jefe&#8212;He has stated publicly that those are NOT his words. A staffer wrote them in a newsletter, and Dr. Paul has apologized for the staffer ever since. BUT&#8212;the words aren&#8217;t untrue, are they?</p>
<p>Conspiracy nuts have a right to support a political candidate, too. Big tent, and all that. Do we really want to start cherry picking supporters? By that standard, then Hillary Clinton should be shunned because she has the support of radical athiest lesbians, Barack Obama should be shunned because he belongs to a racist church&#8230;.</p>
<p>The MOST important issues facing the country right now are the war and the economy. Period. All the silly, petty social issues people get worked up about aren&#8217;t going to destabilize the country. Failure to get a handle on a tanking economy WILL. </p>
<p>Do you think any Democrat(except for Gravel or Kucinich) will end the war? Really? The top two are fully willing to rattle the saber at Iran. There is NO DIFFERENCE between Rudy Guiliani and Hillary Clinton&#8211;in fact, Hillary Clinton has been briefed by GWB as to how to continue the war in Iraq if she&#8217;s elected. There is only one candidate who is not beholden to big corporate money, and only one candidate who understands both the economy AND the war. You know who that is.</p>
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		<title>By: el jefe</title>
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		<dc:creator>el jefe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Nov 2007 20:05:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mike, do you?  There isn&#039;t the space here to do a full expose but here&#039;s a bit...

Go back and do a little research on his views of black people.  Re. DC: &quot;I think we can safely assume that 95% of the black males in that city are semi-criminal or entirely criminal.  If similar in-depth studies were conducted in other major cities, who doubts that similar results would be produced?  We are constantly told that it is evil to be afraid of black men, but it is hardly irrational. Black men commit murders, rapes, robberies, muggings, and burglaries all out of proportion to their numbers.&quot;  

Those are HIS words.  See if you can find copies of his zines:  The Ron Paul Political (later the Survival) report.  He&#039;s a fundamentalist Christian who believes that the US should be a Christian country.  He thinks we should pull out of the United Naitons.  He&#039;s received a perfect rating from the John Birch Society.  He counts David Duke and other white supremacists as supporters.  He&#039;s a regular guest on the Alex Jones show (I live in TX, AJ is probably the biggest conspiracy nut on the face of the planet.)  He thought the Mexican military helping out with Katrina relief was part of a NAFTA golbalization scheme.  He thinks we should go back to the gold standard.  He&#039;s insinuated Hillary Clinton a lesbian, and that Vince Foster was Bill&#039;s coke dealer.  He&#039;s a fucking wingnut.  He&#039;s against raising CAFE standards and for drilling in ANWAR.  He wants to shield oil companies from MTBE lawsuits.  He dosen&#039;t see why oil companies should have to pay fees to drill in our waters in the Gulf of Mexico...

Do I need to go on?  Just because he is a pediatrician and against the war in Iraq, it doesn&#039;t make his other views o.k.  I stand by what I said.  He&#039;s a very bad idea for this country.  If you think Waco and Ruby Ridge are calls to arms, he might be the candidate for you.  But hell, if he splits the republican party, then great let him talk.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mike, do you?  There isn&#8217;t the space here to do a full expose but here&#8217;s a bit&#8230;</p>
<p>Go back and do a little research on his views of black people.  Re. DC: &#8220;I think we can safely assume that 95% of the black males in that city are semi-criminal or entirely criminal.  If similar in-depth studies were conducted in other major cities, who doubts that similar results would be produced?  We are constantly told that it is evil to be afraid of black men, but it is hardly irrational. Black men commit murders, rapes, robberies, muggings, and burglaries all out of proportion to their numbers.&#8221;  </p>
<p>Those are HIS words.  See if you can find copies of his zines:  The Ron Paul Political (later the Survival) report.  He&#8217;s a fundamentalist Christian who believes that the US should be a Christian country.  He thinks we should pull out of the United Naitons.  He&#8217;s received a perfect rating from the John Birch Society.  He counts David Duke and other white supremacists as supporters.  He&#8217;s a regular guest on the Alex Jones show (I live in TX, AJ is probably the biggest conspiracy nut on the face of the planet.)  He thought the Mexican military helping out with Katrina relief was part of a NAFTA golbalization scheme.  He thinks we should go back to the gold standard.  He&#8217;s insinuated Hillary Clinton a lesbian, and that Vince Foster was Bill&#8217;s coke dealer.  He&#8217;s a fucking wingnut.  He&#8217;s against raising CAFE standards and for drilling in ANWAR.  He wants to shield oil companies from MTBE lawsuits.  He dosen&#8217;t see why oil companies should have to pay fees to drill in our waters in the Gulf of Mexico&#8230;</p>
<p>Do I need to go on?  Just because he is a pediatrician and against the war in Iraq, it doesn&#8217;t make his other views o.k.  I stand by what I said.  He&#8217;s a very bad idea for this country.  If you think Waco and Ruby Ridge are calls to arms, he might be the candidate for you.  But hell, if he splits the republican party, then great let him talk.</p>
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		<title>By: thejerk</title>
		<link>http://drunkcyclist.com/2007/11/09/i-aint-sayin-back-him-but-let-the-man-speak/#comment-4607</link>
		<dc:creator>thejerk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Nov 2007 05:58:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>yeah, finding a politician how wants to do away with politicians is   a tough one.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>yeah, finding a politician how wants to do away with politicians is   a tough one.</p>
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