the money to run the site comes out of the pocket of the owners, as the company is applying for charity status (501.C)

and as for the coffee dividends. RideClean holds the Agency for Cycling Ethics in high regard and sends them money to keep pieces of shit like rasmussen , sastre, AND landis off the road, and out of the sport.

and as for them making money:

the site is a .NET address

not a .COM(MERCIAL) address

UCI rule 1.2.019 which states,

“No licence holder may participate in an event that has not been included on a national, continental or world calendar or that has not been recognised by a national federation, a continental confederation or the UCI. A national federation may grant special exceptions for races or particular events run in its own country.”

Leadville was removed from the NORBA calendar, thats how Landis raced it.

Snake himself said it was non-sanctioned so he knowingly broke the above rule.

He went out of his way to knowingly break the rules, not by racing a supposed doper but by racing a non-sanctioned event.

When one openly, blatantly breaks a rule they shouldnt criticize others who do so, supposed or factual.

I’m just sick of those who think they are special because the follow the rules when its apparant they themselves do not follow all the rules.

We as fans, racers, riders, or spectators shouldnt promote this kind of critique, all cyclist should be clean and a professional should act as such and not go on a whiny little tirade about a race they shouldnt have took part of in the first place. Granted not all sport is clean but how many pro baseball players are openly bitching about Barry Bonds or Rafael Palmero(who was caught on antidoping tests as well). Thats the crybaby shit I was talking about, if you want to be a cat1/pro/whatever then act like one and espically dont bitch about an exhibition match of sorts, Snake had nothing to gain from a professional aspect.

If someone has a right to bitch how about Kloden, Leipheimer, Sastre maybe Cadel Evans. Those are guys who really had their professional lives disturbed by the Landis affair, not Snake at a non-sanctioned race he shouldnt have been at in the first place.

Go ridepeaceful or start composing your inevitably epic response to this post.

NO i dont know you

YES I am confident that you have some kind of knowledge on the subject matter.

NO i do not believe you should commission a ride-peaceful team as you obviously have some venting issues

YES i do believe believe snake was pretty upset

NO i do not think that you should have been at all offended

NO the UCI rules do not state ANYWHERE that racing against a “supposedly” doped rider is a violation of race rules other wise the race would have been canceled by uci and or usa cycling officials as soon as floyd landis was allowed to participate..

NO this isnt true “Snake broke the rules by even lining up with the supposed doper.”

and your difference sir is that even the pro-level riders on RIDECLEAN are paid NOTHING. the year of salary would be coming from the REAL job the athletes occupy.

I am goign to start a team and make up some catchy name stating that these riders wont attact other riders or run them into barriers or such, maybe I’ll call it ridepeaceful. Then all you jackholes that think someone who folows the rules credit for absolutely nothing. Tell me what makes a rideclean rider any different then a pro tour rider who signed the anti-doping accord before starting this years tour or worlds? Maybe its the fact thats their marketing tool thats all? Does a rideclean rider forefit a years salary if found to have comitted an anti doping violation.

Should ahve read as:

I am goign to start a team and make up some catchy name stating that these riders wont attact other riders or run them into barriers or such, maybe I’ll call it ridepeaceful. Then all you jackholes that think someone who should folow the rules can get credit for absolutely nothing. Tell me what makes a rideclean rider any different then a pro tour rider who signed the anti-doping accord before starting this years tour or worlds? Maybe its the fact thats their marketing tool thats all? Does a rideclean rider forefit a years salary if found to have comitted an anti doping violation.

Go ahead and say whoever you want is bullshit, that aint me but still I think shows you are talking out of your ass of course that is unless you have Mayo’s B-test results which are yet to be publically released.

I dont give a shit what someone wears on their shirt, guess fucking what you are supposed to ride clean if you are going to compete honestly and truthfully, you think someone deserves special recognition because they do something they are supposed to and wear a special shirt about it? Take that bullshit the fuck out of here thats ridiculous.

Guess what, I’ve never have used a performance enhancing drug not in any way shape form, not even under medical treatment. Do I demand some kind of special recognition, no. I may not be pro but I know one or two, do they deserve special recognition for playing by the rules, no.

Long story short, I dont like how snake bitched about riding with someone who broke the rules (supposedly at the time) by doping, Snake broke the rules by even lining up with the supposed doper.

People who live in glass houses shouldnt throw stones and espically shouldnt make s public statement about it. He may be clean as a whisle, like he is supposed to be (woo hoo!). The fact of the matter is that he was not supposed to line up at Leadville that day if he were one to follow the rules set by USA CYCLING/UCI but apparantly he is not simple and plain. That was my whole point.

Someone please factually show me I am wrong, shoe me an exemption for Snake to break a UCI rule or a pictur of the guy holding the gun to his head making him do it. Until then I will see it as lining up at Leadville was his choice, braking the rules was his choice.

I am goign to start a team and make up some catchy name stating that these riders wont attact other riders or run them into barriers or such, maybe I’ll call it ridepeaceful. Then all you jackholes that think someone who folows the rules credit for absolutely nothing. Tell me what makes a rideclean rider any different then a pro tour rider who signed the anti-doping accord before starting this years tour or worlds? Maybe its the fact thats their marketing tool thats all? Does a rideclean rider forefit a years salary if found to have comitted an anti doping violation.

Riding clean is something you are supposed to do stupid, most of us do it anyway.

Mister Hep, i have no fucking clue WHO you are, nor do i care who you THINK you are, or what you believe was correct. but what i do know is that you have publicly desecrated a man who would pedal circles around your pussy ass on a unicycle. Floyd is bullshit. Rasmussen s bullshit. Mayo = bullshit. There is a whole lot of bullshit, but one thing that isn’t bull shit is the twenty or so guys out west wearing “RIDE CLEAN” boldly across their chests, and Jake Rubelt just happens to be one of those men. And no matter how many fucking pages you weave into your “witty” rebuttal, your opinion means shit until you’ve dragged your ass over the fucking mountains in Colorado following the most doped up piece of shit in sport history. And there are an additional thousand heads on this site that do not just disagree with you, but thoroughly VETO your NOVEL of an insult slung at the very epicenter of clean sport

…my contention all along has been that to race 100mi on the dirt involves so much passion, that snake was wounded not by the breaking of rules so much as by the fact that a piece of his ‘heart’ was stolen…he’s trained & raced it for years…he’s got a great track record…it’s become a part of his persona, just as it has for david wiens…floyd, as illegal interloper, wasn’t so much breaking the rules, as stealing something personal from snake…which i can fully understand…

…by the way, i’ve never met the man & he might tell me i’m full of shit, but having been around the scene through the years, i feel i have a sense of the motivation involved…

…personally, i just wonder if, when he flies to a race & someone inquires about him, does his lady friend say, “snake’s on a plane”…

…sorry, anyway, mr. hep, no harm, no foul…i’m out…

I think I do understand the general premise of this, Snake is pissed that Landis was there based on the Pro Tour code of ethics, he did mention that but Snake also metioned Landis dragging him back and having a direct outcome of the race. Well this being a non sanctioned race Landis was within his rights as an athlete in competiton to chase down a competitor, nobody told Landis that since he was under investigation he wasnt allowed to be competitive. Snake complained about someone who he believes should not have been there, unfortunately the promoter and alot of fans felt otherwise and since its the promoters race with no norba affiliation for the year, it’s his rules, deal with it.

Bikes I appreciate your point of view and how you state it without being hostile.

Thank you for being non inflamatory and rational.

you said,

“Yes they all knew that he was going to be there, and yes UCI/NORBA licensed riders borke the rules by being there”

That sums up the majority my points. Snake as well as Landis broke rules according to UCI rules. I dont know the exact rule Landis broke but its well known that exogenous testosterone is a definate infraction, Snake broke UCI rule 1.2.019 which states,

No licence holder may participate in an event that has not been included on a national, continental or world calendar or that has not been recognised by a national federation, a continental confederation or the UCI. A national federation may grant special exceptions for races or particular events run in its own country.

By participating in a non norba sanctioned even as he himself stated Snake as well as other riders broke that rule, plain and simple.

As far as Bush comment about walking in ones shoes, well I have participated in a non-sanctioned event with someone who was serving a suspension, they placed way ahead of me so I think that does put me in a somewhat similar position, granted I wasnt favored to be the first at the top of the climb but I certinaly dont think Snake was a heavy favorite for Leadville. I dont know if that rider were on the substance they were banned for but they certainly destoyed my course time, dou you or has anyone heard me bitch about it, no.

So bush do rules really mean nothing, I dont have a rulebook and never said any rules were mine in particular so dont teist words, I specifically quoted that UCI rule 1.2.019 was the one snake broke, see the UCI part, as in its their rule(which Snake agreed to follow) their rules are also the ones that keep someone from throwing a pump in your spokes or the rules that also say a rider cant cruise around with a 59% hemocrit level. So which is it, do you think races should follow rules or shoud cycling become some sort of mad max style free for all with weapons boobytraps and hard drugs included?

As far as dating yourself back to the 70′s, I dont give a rats ass how old you are, or if you even invented the wheel, but I do agree that proper procedures must be folowed and procedures require guidelines or rather in this case rules, without respect for all the rules there may as well be respect for none because your nor I nor anyone else should be able to pick and choose the rules to the game as we go, that defeats the whole point of fairness and isnt that what this whole anti-doping thing is about?

Your quote,

“(F)i defy you to logically present a case that doesn’t include money, control, ego & selfishness, for the circular bullshit that goes around & around amongst the ‘aso, uci, wada, etc…”

I dare you to find me a sport where a non athlete has not or has not tried to not fix the outcome to their or someone closes financial benefit, and to further reinforce that point with an example pertaining to cycling in particular did not someone attempt to blackmail the Phonak team management and did they not serve a prison term? I think corruption in cycling runs way deeper then just doping athletes and thats the true problem we are having to deal with, are you to seriously tell me there is no sports betting with or thru organized crime in the EU? To believe otherwise is blissful ignorance or just plain stupidity.

I dont consider myself a large or small pissant, thats your perspective and you are well within your rights to have that opinion of me just as I have my opinion that you are just some loudmouth douchebag hoping on the anti-doping bandwagon because it sounds like the cool thing to do but hey to each their own and thats why this is a discussion.