Comments on: To piss or not to piss in the soup, that was the question. http://drunkcyclist.com/2007/08/10/to-piss-or-not-to-piss-in-the-soup-that-was-the-question/ Two Wheels. One Dark Lord. Fri, 10 Feb 2012 02:50:43 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: RacersandRaceFansRlosers http://drunkcyclist.com/2007/08/10/to-piss-or-not-to-piss-in-the-soup-that-was-the-question/#comment-2363 RacersandRaceFansRlosers Sat, 18 Aug 2007 03:48:52 +0000 http://drunkcyclist.com/wordpress/2007/08/10/to-piss-or-not-to-piss-in-the-soup-that-was-the-question/#comment-2363 " Would you invest $45 million in a team right now?" No chance. If I had $10 trillion, I wouldn't support professional cycling as it exists now, not a dime. As far as you waiting for a positive test on disco, how many more positive tests do you want? LA had a sample that tested positive for EPO, it just didn't meet the requirements to be actionable. Do you really think he stopped receiving medical treatment (ever)? If you like him and you like the team, good for you (seriously), but it and they were what they were. If you want to say it is okay because they didn't have courtroom level proof, good for you, just realize those who see the other side aren't that far off base. As far as your love for cycling...fantastic. It really is one of the best things in life and I'm glad it brings you pleasure. Hopefully one day it will bring you pleasure without any of the sideshow that it has become. ” Would you invest $45 million in a team right now?”
No chance. If I had $10 trillion, I wouldn’t support professional cycling as it exists now, not a dime.

As far as you waiting for a positive test on disco, how many more positive tests do you want? LA had a sample that tested positive for EPO, it just didn’t meet the requirements to be actionable. Do you really think he stopped receiving medical treatment (ever)? If you like him and you like the team, good for you (seriously), but it and they were what they were. If you want to say it is okay because they didn’t have courtroom level proof, good for you, just realize those who see the other side aren’t that far off base.

As far as your love for cycling…fantastic. It really is one of the best things in life and I’m glad it brings you pleasure. Hopefully one day it will bring you pleasure without any of the sideshow that it has become.

]]> By: David Headrick http://drunkcyclist.com/2007/08/10/to-piss-or-not-to-piss-in-the-soup-that-was-the-question/#comment-2262 David Headrick Thu, 16 Aug 2007 05:54:23 +0000 http://drunkcyclist.com/wordpress/2007/08/10/to-piss-or-not-to-piss-in-the-soup-that-was-the-question/#comment-2262 Okay. I was very drunk when I wrote that post, and pissed off about the departure of Disco and the current state of pro cycling. I may not have done this my whole life, but trust me when I say that riding my bike and following the American and European pelotons are my greatest pleasure (behind my wife and kids, that is). I guess I'm just defensive when it comes to the team that inspired me and changed my life so much for the better. Bush43, you should consider calming down. I'm guessing that your bitterness makes your life suck. Just a hunch. RacersandRaceFansRlosers, I get your point that it is unfair when dopers beat the clean cyclists. I'm starting to get the impression that every cyclist that does great things may be on the juice. I'm even to the point that I think Postal/Disco simply had the best undetectable doping program. However, until the day that their doping program is proven beyond accusations, I will stand by the team that inspired me so much. By the way, I don't have an economics argument. You appealed to me about having an unfair situation in my employment. The question is back to you. Would you invest $45 million in a team right now? On another note, why do the positive tests always belong to the GC guys and never the sprinters? Are the sprinters on an undetectable juice, besides salbutimol, or whatever Petacchi tested positive for? Okay. I was very drunk when I wrote that post, and pissed off about the departure of Disco and the current state of pro cycling. I may not have done this my whole life, but trust me when I say that riding my bike and following the American and European pelotons are my greatest pleasure (behind my wife and kids, that is). I guess I’m just defensive when it comes to the team that inspired me and changed my life so much for the better.

Bush43, you should consider calming down. I’m guessing that your bitterness makes your life suck. Just a hunch.

RacersandRaceFansRlosers, I get your point that it is unfair when dopers beat the clean cyclists. I’m starting to get the impression that every cyclist that does great things may be on the juice. I’m even to the point that I think Postal/Disco simply had the best undetectable doping program. However, until the day that their doping program is proven beyond accusations, I will stand by the team that inspired me so much.

By the way, I don’t have an economics argument. You appealed to me about having an unfair situation in my employment. The question is back to you. Would you invest $45 million in a team right now?

On another note, why do the positive tests always belong to the GC guys and never the sprinters? Are the sprinters on an undetectable juice, besides salbutimol, or whatever Petacchi tested positive for?

]]> By: speedy http://drunkcyclist.com/2007/08/10/to-piss-or-not-to-piss-in-the-soup-that-was-the-question/#comment-2104 speedy Sun, 12 Aug 2007 18:18:22 +0000 http://drunkcyclist.com/wordpress/2007/08/10/to-piss-or-not-to-piss-in-the-soup-that-was-the-question/#comment-2104 Thanks for being easy going Racers...About your and my heroes being dopers, unfortunately all my heroes are. Pantani,Merckx,Museeuw,I even used to cheer for Frankie The Rat until I met the asshole. It sucks but most of them not only dope, but they got caught. Maybe someday Lance will get caught too. But at least for now I hope he was clean. Look at the responses on this board and you'll see how fucked up this really is. Everyone of us loves cycling, and everyone of us has been screwed by it. Thanks for being easy going Racers…About your and my heroes being dopers, unfortunately all my heroes are. Pantani,Merckx,Museeuw,I even used to cheer for Frankie The Rat until I met the asshole. It sucks but most of them not only dope, but they got caught. Maybe someday Lance will get caught too. But at least for now I hope he was clean.
Look at the responses on this board and you’ll see how fucked up this really is. Everyone of us loves cycling, and everyone of us has been screwed by it.

]]> By: RacersandRaceFansRlosers http://drunkcyclist.com/2007/08/10/to-piss-or-not-to-piss-in-the-soup-that-was-the-question/#comment-2102 RacersandRaceFansRlosers Sun, 12 Aug 2007 14:42:24 +0000 http://drunkcyclist.com/wordpress/2007/08/10/to-piss-or-not-to-piss-in-the-soup-that-was-the-question/#comment-2102 "1972-2002 - Didn’t do much 2003 - Watched Lance win the Tour; got inspired" So you were a non-athlete and not involved in comptetion? The answer for you as to why people think what has happened is fucked up might be what most of us got from participating in competition our whole lives. Sportsmanship, playing by the rules, stuff like that. Cheating ruins competitions. How would you feel if a co-worker got a bigger raise or promotion because they lied about you or took credit for your work? There is also those folks who use drugs, some of them just for recreation. They seem to feel drug use for any purpose, including performance enhancemnt is legit. If you are a sports fan simply for entertainment (like a television show or WWF), then cheating aint gonna mean shit to you. If you are a "sportsman", were brought up to play fair, shake hands after the game and have integrity, then your gonna be annoyed. As for your economics arguement, it shows your attitude towards sports. Unforetunately it is all about the money for a lot of people, not about the competition. “1972-2002 – Didn’t do much
2003 – Watched Lance win the Tour; got inspired”

So you were a non-athlete and not involved in comptetion? The answer for you as to why people think what has happened is fucked up might be what most of us got from participating in competition our whole lives. Sportsmanship, playing by the rules, stuff like that. Cheating ruins competitions. How would you feel if a co-worker got a bigger raise or promotion because they lied about you or took credit for your work?

There is also those folks who use drugs, some of them just for recreation. They seem to feel drug use for any purpose, including performance enhancemnt is legit.

If you are a sports fan simply for entertainment (like a television show or WWF), then cheating aint gonna mean shit to you. If you are a “sportsman”, were brought up to play fair, shake hands after the game and have integrity, then your gonna be annoyed.

As for your economics arguement, it shows your attitude towards sports. Unforetunately it is all about the money for a lot of people, not about the competition.

]]> By: vincevega http://drunkcyclist.com/2007/08/10/to-piss-or-not-to-piss-in-the-soup-that-was-the-question/#comment-2099 vincevega Sun, 12 Aug 2007 13:48:59 +0000 http://drunkcyclist.com/wordpress/2007/08/10/to-piss-or-not-to-piss-in-the-soup-that-was-the-question/#comment-2099 are these guys allowed meds when it hurts when they pee? alll the euro trash girls over there throwing themselves at dudes gott give the clap to one of them are these guys allowed meds when it hurts when they pee? alll the euro trash girls over there throwing themselves at dudes gott give the clap to one of them

]]> By: Bush43 http://drunkcyclist.com/2007/08/10/to-piss-or-not-to-piss-in-the-soup-that-was-the-question/#comment-2098 Bush43 Sun, 12 Aug 2007 13:42:15 +0000 http://drunkcyclist.com/wordpress/2007/08/10/to-piss-or-not-to-piss-in-the-soup-that-was-the-question/#comment-2098 Adam Smith's "invisible hand"? Oh Jesus Fucking Christ! "Motivation" to disparage Lance Postal / Discovery? Oh Jesus Fucking Christ! Now it's the people who talk about the drugs in the sport guilty, not the drug takers in the sport? Oh Jesus Fucking Christ! The good done Cancels Out the path taken? Oh Jesus Fucking Christ! Adam Smith’s “invisible hand”?

Oh Jesus Fucking Christ!

“Motivation” to disparage Lance Postal / Discovery?

Oh Jesus Fucking Christ!

Now it’s the people who talk about the drugs in the sport guilty, not the drug takers in the sport?

Oh Jesus Fucking Christ!

The good done Cancels Out the path taken?

Oh Jesus Fucking Christ!

]]> By: Dave http://drunkcyclist.com/2007/08/10/to-piss-or-not-to-piss-in-the-soup-that-was-the-question/#comment-2092 Dave Sun, 12 Aug 2007 05:35:46 +0000 http://drunkcyclist.com/wordpress/2007/08/10/to-piss-or-not-to-piss-in-the-soup-that-was-the-question/#comment-2092 1972-2002 - Didn't do much 2003 - Watched Lance win the Tour; got inspired 2004 - Biked a lot 2005 - Biked some; picked up running 2006 - Biked some; ran some; picked up swimming 2007 - Two centuries; Two triathlons; 1/2 marathon; numerous 5Ks Since 2003, I've followed the European peloton nearly every day. I've discovered the fun of exercising and the beauty of cycling. The US Postal and Discovery Channel cycling teams have given me years of entertainment, inspiration, and patriotic pride. I know I'm not alone. Even two years after Lance retired, I still see half of the riders in my local competitions wearing the yellow Livestrong bands. I also wear one, not because I know someone that has cancer, but to remind me to live strong every day. I don't doubt that Lance is a selfish prick, but do you wish that he had not inspired millions of cancer patients and cyclists to give it all they've got? Simply put, athletes race for themselves. Although the common good of a sport is an incidental benefit, athletes compete for individual purposes, not to satisfy others. It's the same reason politicians do what they do. It's just like Adam Smith's "invisible hand." Those that try, succeed. And those that follow, benefit. Tailwind Sports has stated that they had at least one sponsorship, but chose not to take it. Whether or not this is the case, who can blame them? I check the cycling websites every day, and these days pretty much anticipate hearing about a positive doping test rather than a good racing result. One previous comment to this post said that $45M was not that much. Are you crazy? Asking a sponsor for $45M in the current climate is nearly as bad as asking for a corporate sponsor for the Iraqi government, especially with the war between the UCI and the Grand Tours. McQuaid, the president of the cyclists' association, was not even allowed to come to the Tour. It seems that pro cycling will have to get worse before it gets better. As for all of you that disparage Lance and the US Postal/Discovery team, what is your motivation? I usually like the underdog, but what will the sport profit from their failure? Will OLN/Versus air the Tour next year? They used to air the the Giro and Vuelta. That's not happening now. Do you expect them to jump on the Slipstream bandwagon? I surely will follow them, but a new cycling team will not get the attention that Discovery commands. I guess that those of you who want this sport to be out of the spotlight have won. Congratulations. You can count on your local rides to remain small and unsupported. Just realize that your bitter attitude precludes others from enjoying our great sport. 1972-2002 – Didn’t do much
2003 – Watched Lance win the Tour; got inspired
2004 – Biked a lot
2005 – Biked some; picked up running
2006 – Biked some; ran some; picked up swimming
2007 – Two centuries; Two triathlons; 1/2 marathon; numerous 5Ks

Since 2003, I’ve followed the European peloton nearly every day. I’ve discovered the fun of exercising and the beauty of cycling. The US Postal and Discovery Channel cycling teams have given me years of entertainment, inspiration, and patriotic pride. I know I’m not alone. Even two years after Lance retired, I still see half of the riders in my local competitions wearing the yellow Livestrong bands. I also wear one, not because I know someone that has cancer, but to remind me to live strong every day. I don’t doubt that Lance is a selfish prick, but do you wish that he had not inspired millions of cancer patients and cyclists to give it all they’ve got?

Simply put, athletes race for themselves. Although the common good of a sport is an incidental benefit, athletes compete for individual purposes, not to satisfy others. It’s the same reason politicians do what they do. It’s just like Adam Smith’s “invisible hand.” Those that try, succeed. And those that follow, benefit.

Tailwind Sports has stated that they had at least one sponsorship, but chose not to take it. Whether or not this is the case, who can blame them? I check the cycling websites every day, and these days pretty much anticipate hearing about a positive doping test rather than a good racing result. One previous comment to this post said that $45M was not that much. Are you crazy? Asking a sponsor for $45M in the current climate is nearly as bad as asking for a corporate sponsor for the Iraqi government, especially with the war between the UCI and the Grand Tours. McQuaid, the president of the cyclists’ association, was not even allowed to come to the Tour. It seems that pro cycling will have to get worse before it gets better.

As for all of you that disparage Lance and the US Postal/Discovery team, what is your motivation? I usually like the underdog, but what will the sport profit from their failure? Will OLN/Versus air the Tour next year? They used to air the the Giro and Vuelta. That’s not happening now. Do you expect them to jump on the Slipstream bandwagon? I surely will follow them, but a new cycling team will not get the attention that Discovery commands.

I guess that those of you who want this sport to be out of the spotlight have won. Congratulations. You can count on your local rides to remain small and unsupported. Just realize that your bitter attitude precludes others from enjoying our great sport.

]]> By: bikesgonewild http://drunkcyclist.com/2007/08/10/to-piss-or-not-to-piss-in-the-soup-that-was-the-question/#comment-2090 bikesgonewild Sun, 12 Aug 2007 03:41:59 +0000 http://drunkcyclist.com/wordpress/2007/08/10/to-piss-or-not-to-piss-in-the-soup-that-was-the-question/#comment-2090 ...jeez, don't know about you, but I could use a hummer about now. This constant drug shit is taking its toll on all of us. …jeez, don’t know about you, but I could use a hummer about now.

This constant drug shit is taking its toll on all of us.

]]> By: RacersandRaceFansRlosers http://drunkcyclist.com/2007/08/10/to-piss-or-not-to-piss-in-the-soup-that-was-the-question/#comment-2089 RacersandRaceFansRlosers Sun, 12 Aug 2007 02:47:42 +0000 http://drunkcyclist.com/wordpress/2007/08/10/to-piss-or-not-to-piss-in-the-soup-that-was-the-question/#comment-2089 speedy, lol...good post and some good points, except for I don't consider any of those people heroes, just some of them are disgraces and I'll be glad when they're gone. The only other point, some cyclists, just like some people simple don't and won't use drugs. I look foreward to this whole thing being less of an issue. speedy, lol…good post and some good points, except for I don’t consider any of those people heroes, just some of them are disgraces and I’ll be glad when they’re gone. The only other point, some cyclists, just like some people simple don’t and won’t use drugs. I look foreward to this whole thing being less of an issue.

]]> By: John http://drunkcyclist.com/2007/08/10/to-piss-or-not-to-piss-in-the-soup-that-was-the-question/#comment-2084 John Sat, 11 Aug 2007 19:33:19 +0000 http://drunkcyclist.com/wordpress/2007/08/10/to-piss-or-not-to-piss-in-the-soup-that-was-the-question/#comment-2084 I just heard on C-SPAN that Disco is being revived with Dick Cheney as DS. Their super-secret black medicine is going to enable them to win the War on Doping. Team cars? Hummers. I just heard on C-SPAN that Disco is being revived with Dick Cheney as DS. Their super-secret black medicine is going to enable them to win the War on Doping. Team cars? Hummers.

]]> By: speedy http://drunkcyclist.com/2007/08/10/to-piss-or-not-to-piss-in-the-soup-that-was-the-question/#comment-2083 speedy Sat, 11 Aug 2007 19:01:44 +0000 http://drunkcyclist.com/wordpress/2007/08/10/to-piss-or-not-to-piss-in-the-soup-that-was-the-question/#comment-2083 "And speedy, keep sucking the dicks of those losers you are trying to defend." This would infer that I am a man and that I don't enjoy sucking dicks. In all seriousness, asswhipe, if you read my post, I am not defending anyone. I am just saying that this unrealistic, ridiculous statement that there was some secret medical scheme that Disco had is just outright stupidity. Do you really believe that in America, where cycling is a backseat, who-gives-a-fuck-about-it-wheres-my-waltrip sport, that a cycling team would have a doping regime that T-mobile, or Mapei didn't figure out first? Get fucking real. If it was out there then Ulrich was doing it too. And if it the mystery drug exsist then why didn't Landis, Hamilton, Andreau, and Heras take it after they left Discovery or tell someone about it. I have said this before and I'll say it again, blaming Lance for cyclings problems is like blaming Clinton. It's your fucking heroes that are cheaters, too. “And speedy, keep sucking the dicks of those losers you are trying to defend.”
This would infer that I am a man and that I don’t enjoy sucking dicks.
In all seriousness, asswhipe, if you read my post, I am not defending anyone. I am just saying that this unrealistic, ridiculous statement that there was some secret medical scheme that Disco had is just outright stupidity. Do you really believe that in America, where cycling is a backseat, who-gives-a-fuck-about-it-wheres-my-waltrip sport, that a cycling team would have a doping regime that T-mobile, or Mapei didn’t figure out first? Get fucking real. If it was out there then Ulrich was doing it too. And if it the mystery drug exsist then why didn’t Landis, Hamilton, Andreau, and Heras take it after they left Discovery or tell someone about it.
I have said this before and I’ll say it again, blaming Lance for cyclings problems is like blaming Clinton.
It’s your fucking heroes that are cheaters, too.

]]> By: vincevega http://drunkcyclist.com/2007/08/10/to-piss-or-not-to-piss-in-the-soup-that-was-the-question/#comment-2082 vincevega Sat, 11 Aug 2007 16:18:32 +0000 http://drunkcyclist.com/wordpress/2007/08/10/to-piss-or-not-to-piss-in-the-soup-that-was-the-question/#comment-2082 divert I must jonathan vaughters is the man now. His concept is for real yo. JV keep it up and keep the burns and the TNecks as well Go Slipstream/McDonalds errr I mean.. although bikepunk probably already knows this and probably already posted it: chipotle is part of McDonalds and their Chicken Burrito is one of the top 10 worst fast food meals you can consume. -1,180 calories and 19 grams of saturated fat as three 6-inch Subway Steak and Cheese Subs. Plus, it has 2,900 mg of sodium! Getting the burrito with no cheese or sour cream cuts the saturated fat by two-thirds, but you still end up with 950 calories and 2,690 mg of sodium. Yikes! - http://www.cspinet.org/nah/10foods_bad.html all good but don't get me started on Felt frames... and BikePunk you the Yoda of this hood. word Fuck Lance and Fuck Discovery lets move forward with JV and his crew. Although the Euros will likely take their time granting him a Pro Peloton now to keep us yanks away Poor Levi dude just can't get over divert I must

jonathan vaughters is the man now. His concept is for real yo. JV keep it up and keep the burns and the TNecks as well

Go Slipstream/McDonalds errr I mean..

although bikepunk probably already knows this and probably already posted it: chipotle is part of McDonalds and their Chicken Burrito is one of the top 10 worst fast food meals you can consume.

-1,180 calories and 19 grams of saturated fat as three 6-inch Subway Steak and Cheese Subs. Plus, it has 2,900 mg of sodium! Getting the burrito with no cheese or sour cream cuts the saturated fat by two-thirds, but you still end up with 950 calories and 2,690 mg of sodium. Yikes! -
http://www.cspinet.org/nah/10foods_bad.html

all good but don’t get me started on Felt frames…

and BikePunk you the Yoda of this hood. word

Fuck Lance and Fuck Discovery

lets move forward with JV and his crew. Although the Euros will likely take their time granting him a Pro Peloton now to keep us yanks away

Poor Levi dude just can’t get over

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